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    I remember your thread now. I've PM'ed you a link to it.
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    Your parents are no longer Scientologists, although they might have had some connection to the cult in the past (I remember your original post). This means that they are no longer pressured by CoS to disconnect from you. My advice is to let bygones be bygones, and to try to establish normal relations with them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Demented Hubbatd View Post
    Your parents are no longer Scientologists, although they might have had some connection to the cult in the past (I remember your original post). This means that they are no longer pressured by CoS to disconnect from you. My advice is to let bygones be bygones, and to try to establish normal relations with them.
    It seems you may not remember the thread that well, Demented Hubbatd. In fact, you were not even logged into ESMB as a member yourself while that thread was going on.

    The problem was never really about disconnection so much as dealing with mental illness in family members and what type of family interaction is healthy and appropriate to all concerned.

    Continual contact with unmedicated relatives suffering from serious mental illnesses can take a huge toll on carers and other family members' health and well being, as well as eat up their time and lives. It is particularly stressful and exhausting if the family members have no control over those with mental illness.
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    Continual contact with unmedicated relatives suffering from serious mental illnesses can take a huge toll on carers and other family members' health and well being, as well as eat up their time and lives. It is particularly stressful and exhausting if the family members have no control over those with mental illness.

    I heartily concur.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Demented Hubbatd View Post
    Your parents are no longer Scientologists, although they might have had some connection to the cult in the past (I remember your original post). This means that they are no longer pressured by CoS to disconnect from you. My advice is to let bygones be bygones, and to try to establish normal relations with them.
    Uh, some people - on their own- continue to "use the tech" although they no longer consider themselves to be "in" scientology. Pressure from the scientology group is not required for some people to continue to have their thought processes dominated by still thinking with scientology.

    Even here on ESMB it's not unusual to see every now & then someone who stills thinks like they are standing in the middle of an org & talk endlessly using cult speak.

    For some, their ass is out of scientology but their head isn't ever going to be released from it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Imsorry View Post
    Hello, a few months back I was here defending my parents. I'm not going to say their names. I just wanted to state I am sorry about that. I wanted to state that my brother was being truthful for the most part (we all get a little hazy with memories sometimes). I was just too scared to admit the truth. The truth that my parents are very mentally sick and paranoid people. I do think their hearts are in the right place, and all they want is to do good for this world. However, they eventually turned on me after I was finally honest with myself, and I told them I didn't believe some of the things they were stating. Really, my parents decided to disconnect from me because I refused to believe the lie that they were never Scientologists. They also disconnected from me, because I didn't want to devote my life to unveiling conspiracy theories with them. They stated they would never be proud of me or approve of me unless I were to do that. Let's just get this straight, my parents were Scientologists. Sure, maybe they didn't always like going to church functions, but by no means were they spies. My parents are now holed up in their house and are no longer talking to three of their five children. Maybe four of the five. Unfortunately, I didn't want to believe my parents were that crazy back then, and I was even lying to myself a bit back then as well. Anyway, I want nothing to do with this world. I want nothing to do with any of you. However, I know that this is something that needed to be made right.

    Thanks for understanding.
    Scientology is fucked up enough that most of us understand that family dynamics get destructive, and we see people engaging in public disputes at the lowest times in these fucked up situations. You don't owe me or anyone else an explanation, but the sentiment is appreciated.

    I hope you can find peace.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NoName View Post
    Scientology is fucked up enough that most of us understand that family dynamics get destructive, and we see people engaging in public disputes at the lowest times in these fucked up situations. You don't owe me or anyone else an explanation, but the sentiment is appreciated.

    I hope you can find peace.
    Given that most - if not all - families tend to range from mild to severe dysfunction - then top that off with the inherit destructiveness of the cult & almost has to be a disaster !

    Few families survive the cult intact.

    One day I'm going to find some one thing good about that cult - I haven't found it in the last quarter of century looking.

    Oh, the only good part is I'm out of the cult.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gizmo View Post
    Uh, some people - on their own- continue to "use the tech" although they no longer consider themselves to be "in" scientology. Pressure from the scientology group is not required for some people to continue to have their thought processes dominated by still thinking with scientology.

    Even here on ESMB it's not unusual to see every now & then someone who stills thinks like they are standing in the middle of an org & talk endlessly using cult speak.

    For some, their ass is out of scientology but their head isn't ever going to be released from it.
    Yes, and they may also be holding out a little vestige of hope that some day they will want to do services again and if they are going to have a shot at any spiritual enhancement or salvation they need to stay in good standing while wandering the virtual Scientology desert. That would include desperately avoiding SPs and entheta on the internet.

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    Yes, and they may also be holding out a little vestige of hope that some day they will want to do services again and if they are going to have a shot at any spiritual enhancement or salvation they need to stay in good standing while wandering the virtual Scientology desert. That would include desperately avoiding SPs and entheta on the internet.
    As you note, there are people who think that everything would be wonderful if current management was "reformed", and thinks about ultimately going back. I thought like that for some years: unwilling to put up with the police state which Scn had turned into, but not yet ready to walk away entirely.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheOriginalBigBlue View Post
    Yes, and they may also be holding out a little vestige of hope that some day they will want to do services again and if they are going to have a shot at any spiritual enhancement or salvation they need to stay in good standing while wandering the virtual Scientology desert. That would include desperately avoiding SPs and entheta on the internet.
    - and scientology has about as much to do with spiritual enhancement or salvation as a bottle of snake oil.

    There are ways one help can help themselves & the works scientology are only good if one wants to use as kindling to start a fire. Otherwise, it's useless.
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