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    Hello, pretty new here.

    I was just wondering what people's reactions were when they started ot3 and read the material in that brown paper envelope for the first time?

    Did you then come out of scientology as you couldn't fathom what you had read or did you remain dedicated? Did you look into any of the facts stated in these materials?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Whattodo View Post
    Hello, pretty new here.

    I was just wondering what people's reactions were when they started ot3 and read the material in that brown paper envelope for the first time?

    Did you then come out of scientology as you couldn't fathom what you had read or did you remain dedicated? Did you look into any of the facts stated in these materials?

    This is Ron's Journal '67, released publicly around the same time that OT 3 was released as a confidential OT course. Some people quietly left, but most stayed. It was taken very seriously.


    If Hubbard sounds strangely serene, it may be because this was recorded early in the morning after Hubbard - who was a night owl - had been "rising above the bank," for several hours, with the assistance of his favorite drunk, Rum and Coca-Cola.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Whattodo View Post
    Hello, pretty new here.

    I was just wondering what people's reactions were when they started ot3 and read the material in that brown paper envelope for the first time?

    Did you then come out of scientology as you couldn't fathom what you had read or did you remain dedicated? Did you look into any of the facts stated in these materials?
    From what I've read...
    The people who did OTIII had already "recalled" countless past live space opera stories in auditing.
    Consequently for many this was just one more (true) "space opera" story.
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    No I haven't read too much about level 2 but I'll take a closer look.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tesseract View Post
    From what I've read...
    The people who did OTIII had already "recalled" countless past live space opera stories in auditing.
    Consequently for many this was just one more (true) "space opera" story.
    That in itself is open to debate, do you think you've had past lives?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Whattodo View Post
    That in itself is open to debate, do you think you've had past lives?

    I am quite surprised that anyone here is still doubting or debating this subject.

    It's beyond speculation and argument, because Dr. Hubbard scientifically and conclusively proved the observable/quantifiable results of past lives therapy!




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    Quote Originally Posted by Whattodo View Post
    Hello, pretty new here.

    I was just wondering what people's reactions were when they started ot3 and read the material in that brown paper envelope for the first time?

    Did you then come out of scientology as you couldn't fathom what you had read or did you remain dedicated? Did you look into any of the facts stated in these materials?
    People had really different reactions!

    Many were horrified, others thought it was a joke.

    Here are some great earlier ESMB threads addressing this question:

    http://www.forum.exscn.net/showthrea...Ready-Hurt-You

    http://www.forum.exscn.net/showthrea...3-s-about-Xenu

    http://www.forum.exscn.net/showthrea...d-2-discussion
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    Quote Originally Posted by JustSheila View Post
    People had really different reactions!

    Many were horrified, others thought it was a joke.

    HELPFUL TECH TIP: I suggest that the COS should make sure that anyone about to read the OT III PACK is fully set up and "sessionable" by asking OT III students the following, just before handing them their Wall of Fire materials:


    Have you had enough to eat?

    Have you slept enough?

    Have you had any drugs in the past week?

    Have you had any alcohol or aspirin in the past 24 hours?

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    I'm sure my first reaction was shock, but I played along and got through it. It was not much later I made the decision "not ever going back".

    OTIII is so over-hyped and promoted, along with the hush-hush, don't-talk-about, BIG secret mystery that every Scientologist is told they MUST do ASAP, blah blah blah.

    Everyone who HASN'T done it is very sure it's just what they need, where all will be revealed.

    Everyone who's DONE it and woken up from the nightmare, will tell you it's a pile of BS.

    And those who've done it and haven't woken up, are VERY SURE they just need Solo NOTS, where all will be revealed! Or OTVIII, where all will be revealed! Or OT IX and X.... (which don't even exist)

    And so it goes.
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    Default Re: The brown envelope they all waited for!

    Quote Originally Posted by Whattodo View Post
    That in itself is open to debate, do you think you've had past lives?
    Decidedly not. Which is why I put "recalled" in quotes. I'm just a cult watcher btw. and was merely summarizing what many exes have told.
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