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    Here is where I disagree with many on ESMB. I believe that many execs and scifags that are running businesses are aware of exactly what is going on in terms of covert hypnosis and other techniques stolen and or developed by Hubbard. They use their mastery as part of a sales/management philosophy.

    Isn't Hubbard's sprawling business management series a large part of cult teachings?

    I remember the books being prominently displayed in many of the homes and offices that I visited at the time.

    The spies that are on here could be cynical devious people who are aware of the destructive nature of the cult for the devotees but know how to beat sec checks and use the tech for their own gain whether it is for power or financial reasons.


    I have mentioned before that when I worked for a scientologist owned company one of the execs was clearly stoned a lot of the time.I never physically caught him indulging but I'd stake my reputation on the fact that he was a regular pot user. He looked and behaved stoned a lot of the time. He was also a nasty piece of work; lying,cynical and devious. I think part of his job description was to terrorise the staff and keep everyone on their toes. But this guy would have been subject to all the checks and was well in with the other execs.

    I think that he would be the kind of person who would be looking at this board on behalf of the cult.

    I do not subscribe to the philosophy that all cult members are brainwashed.


    Some of them are the most cynical and devious people you are ever likely to meet who are using LRH techniques for their own ends.

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    As a scammer said to Jimmy McGill in a Better Call Saul episode - There are 2 kinds of people in this world - Wolves and Sheep - Which are you gonna to be?



    Edit add: I guess I better finish that - Jimmy thinks about it, for a few seconds, and then takes money out of his dad's cash register and pockets it . . .

    Not far removed from lrh and dm - and the other sociopaths who SEE what it - scno- is, and decide to use it to their own advantage - to hell with the sheep, they deserve what they get . . . . There are lots of evil bastards in the world. Scno has a few of them, and is making more all the time. But those kinds would probably have become sociopaths anyway, inside or out of scno/co$/so/osa. That is the human condition.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Xenu View Post
    Here is where I disagree with many on ESMB. I believe that many execs and scifags that are running businesses are aware of exactly what is going on in terms of covert hypnosis and other techniques stolen and or developed by Hubbard. They use their mastery as part of a sales/management philosophy.

    Isn't Hubbard's sprawling business management series a large part of cult teachings?

    I remember the books being prominently displayed in many of the homes and offices that I visited at the time.

    The spies that are on here could be cynical devious people who are aware of the destructive nature of the cult for the devotees but know how to beat sec checks and use the tech for their own gain whether it is for power or financial reasons.


    I have mentioned before that when I worked for a scientologist owned company one of the execs was clearly stoned a lot of the time.I never physically caught him indulging but I'd stake my reputation on the fact that he was a regular pot user. He looked and behaved stoned a lot of the time. He was also a nasty piece of work; lying,cynical and devious. I think part of his job description was to terrorise the staff and keep everyone on their toes. But this guy would have been subject to all the checks and was well in with the other execs.

    I think that he would be the kind of person who would be looking at this board on behalf of the cult.

    I do not subscribe to the philosophy that all cult members are brainwashed.


    Some of them are the most cynical and devious people you are ever likely to meet who are using LRH techniques for their own ends.
    The Church walks a fine line on this kind of thing - at least they used to. From my personal experience they worked very hard to weed out people who we might characterize as sociopaths or amoral. They wanted people who were predictable, controllable, didn't cause flaps, and who had a relatively safe moral foundation that could be reoriented toward the dedicated service of Scientology.

    I do think there is a lot about Scientology that controlling jerks would find attractive, so after so many decades, it should be expected that there will be quite a few of them hanging around the periphery after having been involved in varying degrees and they will naturally continue to integrate it into their day-to-day behavior.

    But LRH himself was about as amoral as anyone could be so from his perspective it was probably more a matter of controlling the competition. In the end, look at who he elevated to the top position and the highest level of trust.

    Scientology is full of these kinds of contradictions. It is like so many other isms where good people buy into a promise of hope and prosperity and justice only to have millions die and enslaved by the few who take control of the levers of power. There will always be the opportunists in these systems who use the same doctrine to prey on the other purists.

    Los Angeles probably has the largest Scientology population and it is already very much a dog-eat-dog kind of place. Just 4 hours on that freeway and you're ready to assign everyone a condition of treason. Between the stress of just living in LA and the demands of the Church I'd expect a higher instance of Scientology based thinking predation there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Xenu View Post
    Here is where I disagree with many on ESMB. I believe that many execs and scifags that are running businesses are aware of exactly what is going on in terms of covert hypnosis and other techniques stolen and or developed by Hubbard. They use their mastery as part of a sales/management philosophy.

    Isn't Hubbard's sprawling business management series a large part of cult teachings?

    I remember the books being prominently displayed in many of the homes and offices that I visited at the time.

    The spies that are on here could be cynical devious people who are aware of the destructive nature of the cult for the devotees but know how to beat sec checks and use the tech for their own gain whether it is for power or financial reasons.


    I have mentioned before that when I worked for a scientologist owned company one of the execs was clearly stoned a lot of the time.I never physically caught him indulging but I'd stake my reputation on the fact that he was a regular pot user. He looked and behaved stoned a lot of the time. He was also a nasty piece of work; lying,cynical and devious. I think part of his job description was to terrorise the staff and keep everyone on their toes. But this guy would have been subject to all the checks and was well in with the other execs.

    I think that he would be the kind of person who would be looking at this board on behalf of the cult.

    I do not subscribe to the philosophy that all cult members are brainwashed.


    Some of them are the most cynical and devious people you are ever likely to meet who are using LRH techniques for their own ends.
    I have to say that I never found this to be true of the scilons I associated with.

    Charmaine, Teddy Braggin, Michael Roberts and Jeff Pomeranz definitely seem to be of this ilk, but I still think they are believing Kool-Aid drinkers despite their sliminess.

    "Scientology, well understood, is a very powerful thing. Poorly relayed, poorly communicated, monopolized or used exclusively for gain, it could be a very destructive thing." - LRH June 1955
    + He told me he was obsessed by "an insatiable lust for power and money". - circa 1980 Mayo on LRH =

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheOriginalBigBlue View Post
    Some excellent points.

    There are very real consequences to actively seeking out entheta and there are the ideological restraints.

    But the big difference now is that the general public are becoming so well informed about the true nature of Scientology that they can know more about what's really going on than Scientologists themselves so to come out as a Scientologist must be having some very awkward backlashes and stink eye. This must be causing Scientologists to get curious about what other people are seeing.
    That was the case in the 1980's, after books like "Messiah or Madman" started coming out. I learned early on that talking about Scientology at work was not a good idea. This got me some stuff from a PAC MAA during my OT eligibility, who accused me of being a "closet Scientologist".

    Telling non-Scientologists at work that you had been in the Sea Org was even worse.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Xenu View Post
    Some of them are the most cynical and devious people you are ever likely to meet who are using LRH techniques for their own ends.
    I've said before, Scientology attracts two main types of people:

    1) People who genuinely want to improve the world and help people, but who are a bit naive, and
    2) Psychopathic predators who want to take advantage of the people in category (1).

    Many of the people in category (2) make it into executive positions, where they use Scientology techniques to manipulate and control people.
    Find out just what a people will submit to, and you have found out the exact amount of injustice and wrong which will be imposed upon them; and these will continue till they are resisted with either words or blows, or with both. The limits of tyrants are prescribed by the endurance of those whom they oppress. -- Frederick Douglass

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheOriginalBigBlue View Post
    The Church walks a fine line on this kind of thing - at least they used to. From my personal experience they worked very hard to weed out people who we might characterize as sociopaths or amoral. They wanted people who were predictable, controllable, didn't cause flaps, and who had a relatively safe moral foundation that could be reoriented toward the dedicated service of Scientology.
    They didn't want sociopaths who might use Scientologists too much for their own benefit. Sociopaths who got stats for Scientology were fine.

    People who were good at convincing people that they should spend their retirement funds and their kids college funds on Scientology were treated as valuable. People who were good at intimidating staff into working 100 hour weeks were also valued.

    It was just a question of the sociopath knowing the acceptable limits, and knowing that he had to maintain a net usefulness to senior management.
    Find out just what a people will submit to, and you have found out the exact amount of injustice and wrong which will be imposed upon them; and these will continue till they are resisted with either words or blows, or with both. The limits of tyrants are prescribed by the endurance of those whom they oppress. -- Frederick Douglass

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    Quote Originally Posted by Enthetan View Post
    I've said before, Scientology attracts two main types of people:

    1) People who genuinely want to improve the world and help people, but who are a bit naive, and
    2) Psychopathic predators who want to take advantage of the people in category (1).

    Many of the people in category (2) make it into executive positions, where they use Scientology techniques to manipulate and control people.
    I think you've missed out a third category - people who want to improve themselves.

    I didn't get into scientology to improve the world or to help people. I just wanted to improve myself. Nothing more. Nothing less. I refused to join staff or the SO because that wouldn't have helped me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Whattodo View Post
    Might be an daft question but if there are scientlogists snooping on here how do they not get their heads turned reading alot on the information and content in some of the threads on here!
    The only Co$ member Scientologists whom are allowed to "snoop" here are Sea Ogre OSA staff and their few public scientologist minions. Those persons are heavily mentally immunized against actually accepting any communications from the Super Evil Devil Suppressive Persons who post here. Any other Co$ member reading here will eventually be discovered through sec checks and face truly awful punishment. Some few of the latter former have ended up out of Co$ that way, of course (e.g. Tory "Magoo" Christman).

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