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    Quote Originally Posted by Whattodo View Post
    So how and when do people forsee the end of the scientology organisation?
    unknown answer I can give you but I don't think it will last as long as Ilove2lurk research post earlier, reason being the internet and time collapses to instant communication which is what hubbard never realized in his day of marketing & PR known as letters out, magazines sent out from orgs & missions, positioning, etc.

    However, from my research I'll give my opinion.

    First there was the Dianetics boom, a surprise to Hubbard and Campbell, and they tried to create Hubbard Dianetics Research Foundations, aka HDRF's. Note the word Hubbard.

    That didn't work as too many Board of Directors and Hubbard wanted to be the only one.

    The next boom was St Hill and creation of the Sea Org (where Hubbard was the only one via KSW 1965 as source of dianetics and scientology).

    Next boom was in the 1980/90's with the recreation of Dianetics by marketing executive Jefferson Hawkins (books make booms). That fizzled out due to DM going crazy and then creating the hole and beating people and all those executives blew from the International Headquarters.

    It's been on a decline ever since as there has never been a recreation of marketing and PR of dianetics and scientology since Jefferson Hawkins.

    After 1980/90's the internet is born, and freer communication via early internet venues are born and come into existence, and ex members speak, as the internet and tech evolves, why we now have blogs and websites for free communication.

    More Ex's speak out.

    And here we are in the present moment with blogs, websites, tweeter, facebook, books, movies, you tube vids, etc galore talking about dianetics scientology. And even future books to be released by people as well as a tv show,

    I'd love for David Miscavige to write a book.

    Did I mention that most of the population of earth never heard of dianetic or scientology.

    The indie and freezone movement of "the work was free so keep it so" are basing that idea on hubbard's idea of grass roots movement and word of mouth. Fail, as word of mouth is the internet and "no results" is what people will finally realize regardless of the initial hype by hubbard/scientology.

    Dianetics and scientology are a marketing effort which is fail.

    http://www.forum.exscn.net/showthrea...l=1#post707247

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mimsey Borogrove View Post
    It will go the way of the religions of yesteryear. How many people still follow the ancient gods of Egypt, Greece, the Norsemen, the Druids, the Inca, the Aztecs on and on?

    I think that Miscavage will die, go crazy, get jailed, leave the country in some manner or other, and some one else will take up the reigns. The place may be raped by law suits, the iRS or it may be intact. It will be taken over by existing SO members who will inherit a mess, or a savvy marketer will take it over, disavow Miscavage et. al. and reverse it's current down trend and make a boat load of money. Eventually it will no longer be in vogue. I may not live to see that day, or I might. It all depends on you, Whattodo, to go out there and help Leah champion her cause. (in case you don't know what to do...)

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    I think that Miscavige being ousted by one means or other is key. In his prime, LRH, for all his flaws, did a great job identifying the strong points in people and putting them in positions to excel. In that regard he was about as impressive as Ronald Reagan. The only drawback was that it set up a very serious succession crisis.

    Miscavige is a micro manager who empowers no one and actually punishes initiative and leadership with the hole. Or worse, in Shelley's case. There's no one in a position to assume leadership. No one. Unless you count Marty or Laurisse (joke).
    The main key to free a person from this cult is compassion. This is true of all cults, but it is especially true of Scientology, where, in the upper echelons, there isn't even any pretense of compassion. Showing compassion just might be the key to breaking through the person's cult identity and reaching the real person.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gib View Post
    unknown answer I can give you but I don't think it will last as long as Ilove2lurk research post earlier, reason being the internet and time collapses to instant communication which is what hubbard never realized in his day of marketing & PR known as letters out, magazines sent out from orgs & missions, positioning, etc.

    However, from my research I'll give my opinion.

    First there was the Dianetics boom, a surprise to Hubbard and Campbell, and they tried to create Hubbard Dianetics Research Foundations, aka HDRF's. Note the word Hubbard.

    That didn't work as too many Board of Directors and Hubbard wanted to be the only one.

    The next boom was St Hill and creation of the Sea Org (where Hubbard was the only one via KSW 1965 as source of dianetics and scientology).

    Next boom was in the 1980/90's with the recreation of Dianetics by marketing executive Jefferson Hawkins (books make booms). That fizzled out due to DM going crazy and then creating the hole and beating people and all those executives blew from the International Headquarters.

    It's been on a decline ever since as there has never been a recreation of marketing and PR of dianetics and scientology since Jefferson Hawkins.

    After 1980/90's the internet is born, and freer communication via early internet venues are born and come into existence, and ex members speak, as the internet and tech evolves, why we now have blogs and websites for free communication.

    More Ex's speak out.

    And here we are in the present moment with blogs, websites, tweeter, facebook, books, movies, you tube vids, etc galore talking about dianetics scientology. And even future books to be released by people as well as a tv show,

    I'd love for David Miscavige to write a book.

    Did I mention that most of the population of earth never heard of dianetic or scientology.

    The indie and freezone movement of "the work was free so keep it so" are basing that idea on hubbard's idea of grass roots movement and word of mouth. Fail, as word of mouth is the internet and "no results" is what people will finally realize regardless of the initial hype by hubbard/scientology.

    Dianetics and scientology are a marketing effort which is fail.

    http://www.forum.exscn.net/showthrea...l=1#post707247
    Hawkins with his DMSMH is a prime example if LRH empowering someone to do a job and letting them succeed. It would be very valuable for you to read his book - especially the part about how he was yanked out of marketing when DM took over.

    Additionally: I think the "end" of Scn means the end of the organized Co$. I can envision a future where a bunch of Scn'ists practice auditing outside of any organization, after the organization implodes. But that would fade out one funeral at a time...
    The main key to free a person from this cult is compassion. This is true of all cults, but it is especially true of Scientology, where, in the upper echelons, there isn't even any pretense of compassion. Showing compassion just might be the key to breaking through the person's cult identity and reaching the real person.

    ***Monica Pignotti - My Nine Lives in Scientology***
    http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~dst/Library/Shelf/pignotti/

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    Every few years we take out this topic and bat it around. And the cult goes on and on, like the energizer bunny.

    Why does it continue? For the same reasons we ourselves got involved. We have issues, the cult promises a cure, we ignored the negatives, and went on hoping. We wanted to believe. And there is always a new crop of young people adrift in the sea of life who want to believe.

    As long as there are people with issues and a desire to improve, there will be a cult that sells the "cure".
    If parents try to warn them away, all the more reason to get involved. What do parents know anyway?

    Also, there are enough millionaires (and one Bob Duggan with $2.9 Billion) that keep it propped up with enough $$$$ to last a long, long time.

    Oh, there is one possibility, which I think will never happen, but if it did, would have a profound effect....If Tom Cruise bailed and wrote a Tell-all, or gave a press conference, that would have a huge wake-up impact on a lot of people.
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    Quote Originally Posted by WildKat View Post
    Every few years we take out this topic and bat it around. And the cult goes on and on, like the energizer bunny.

    Why does it continue? For the same reasons we ourselves got involved. We have issues, the cult promises a cure, we ignored the negatives, and went on hoping. We wanted to believe. And there is always a new crop of young people adrift in the sea of life who want to believe.

    As long as there are people with issues and a desire to improve, there will be a cult that sells the "cure".
    If parents try to warn them away, all the more reason to get involved. What do parents know anyway?

    Also, there are enough millionaires (and one Bob Duggan with $2.9 Billion) that keep it propped up with enough $$$$ to last a long, long time.

    Oh, there is one possibility, which I think will never happen, but if it did, would have a profound effect....If Tom Cruise bailed and wrote a Tell-all, or gave a press conference, that would have a huge wake-up impact on a lot of people.
    I tend to agree. There are always going to be those with vulnerabilities to the toxic. There are always going to be those that love to throw their money at toxic nonsense to make themselves feel worthy. History tells variations of this story, over and over.

    However in the case of the card-board structured thing called scientology, I suspect there is an Achilles heel not yet revealed. Who knows which serious down-pour is going to melt the card-board to a pulpy mash mess. Greater structures than scientology have been brought to their knees in the most unexpected ways.

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    Co$ has stage iV cancer. Cash is chemo. 20K people is a pitiful pittance. The word is out. The facts keep coming out for all to see. They are doing a fine job of clearing the planet of themselves.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WildKat View Post
    Every few years we take out this topic and bat it around. And the cult goes on and on, like the energizer bunny.

    Why does it continue? For the same reasons we ourselves got involved. We have issues, the cult promises a cure, we ignored the negatives, and went on hoping. We wanted to believe. And there is always a new crop of young people adrift in the sea of life who want to believe.

    As long as there are people with issues and a desire to improve, there will be a cult that sells the "cure".
    If parents try to warn them away, all the more reason to get involved. What do parents know anyway?

    Also, there are enough millionaires (and one Bob Duggan with $2.9 Billion) that keep it propped up with enough $$$$ to last a long, long time.

    Oh, there is one possibility, which I think will never happen, but if it did, would have a profound effect....If Tom Cruise bailed and wrote a Tell-all, or gave a press conference, that would have a huge wake-up impact on a lot of people.
    True, but I think what's different now is that people have a lot more options than they did in LRH's day. Back when I was growing up in the 1970s, pretty much the only books in the spiritual section of my local library were LRH's books (donated by my local org) and several by Vernon Howard, a couple of meditation books such as "Tranquillity without pills" (about TM), and a smattering of other books by authors such as Joel Goldsmith and Murdo Macdonald Bayne. There was no internet (as there is now) by which people could track down philosophies, therapies and teachers which might interest them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Whattodo View Post
    So how and when do people forsee the end of the scientology organisation?

    It will shrink, but not entirely go away. The most fanatical will refuse to admit that they were duped.

    Look at the Jehovah's witnesses. More than once they predicted the end of the world as we know it, and them being the only ones to survive. When it didn't come true, they lost lots of members, of course. But, many stayed anyway!

    I mean, it's hard to screw up more than that; telling people to quit their jobs, sell everything and get ready for paradise, and then nothing happens? And yet, the fanatics just justified it somehow, and went on. More than once.

    If you had a video of Hubbard himself saying he lied, that the stuff doesn't always work, that he was mainly interested in money and power, it still wouldn't sway some of them. They would either refuse to look at it, or claim it was somehow fake.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mimsey Borogrove View Post
    It will go the way of the religions of yesteryear. How many people still follow the ancient gods of Egypt, Greece, the Norsemen, the Druids, the Inca, the Aztecs on and on?


    Mimsey
    Actually, there are still people who 'follow' these religions. Ironically enough, the Egyptian pantheon is used by the Thelemists, which is the philosophy promoted by Crowley, and perpetuated by his followers even today.

    The word is that ever since the Harry Potter craze, the occult schools have experienced a resurgence of interest. The Wicca organizations can't keep up with demand, I've heard.
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