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    Has anyone had any experiences of attempting to encourage people out of scientology either successfully or unsuccessfully?

    I'm interested in people's stories on this matter, what worked and didn't work and the circumstances around them as I appreciate every situation can be different.

    I want to help get some people i know well get out but I'm trying to put together a strategy to do so without being declared an sp or pts. Although part of me feels like just unloading everything I have learned and read and just tell them they need to wake up and get out and to hell with being declared if it does or can sow enough doubt! However I know they strongley believe the tech works and that the best thing for this planet is for it to be cleared so is be wasting my time.

    So I have dropped subtle questions to date about why they have been asked to redo courses/buy new copies of books and I got the usual reply of they have been tampered with by people who have infiltrated scientology and there was errors so now re-released etc etc. I stated it sounded like a ploy to get extra money and what happens if 5/10 years down the line they ask you to do the same courses again or buy new books what would you do? They did actually say they would throw them all away so fingers crossed! Haha

    There has been a few other things I have talked about and tried to drop in countering points to their perspectuve of the flawless system of scientology!

    I notice as time goes by the more influence scientology has on their methods, the way they talk, behave, act, how they work etc from reading people's posts on here and it is ringing true for me. The main issue is that they are intensifying the number and level of courses they are doing and now really pushing it onto their kids to the extent they are all now in scientology and on course. I'm unsure if this is a recent emphasis or they just feel that they can trust me and speak openly about what they are doing or maybe they are getting pressure to get them all signed up and in. They even sent me a tech book to help my handle some of my so called issues which granted we can always find improvement but courses have been mentioned too. However more recently I have also been made to feel inept and incapable of the duties in my job because I haven't done the courses or trained for the position I have. They can also be stubborn, always right, come across as superior or firmly believe they are, a disregard to other business courses and also to peoples emotional or health issues as dianetics has the answers and they show a lack of empathy to most things outside of scientology.

    So what to do?

    The easy thing i guess Is leave them to it and let them figure it out for themselves. They have spent all their money on all these recent courses and that will be a lot.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Whattodo View Post
    Has anyone had any experiences of attempting to encourage people out of scientology either successfully or unsuccessfully?

    I'm interested in people's stories on this matter, what worked and didn't work and the circumstances around them as I appreciate every situation can be different.

    I want to help get some people i know well get out but I'm trying to put together a strategy to do so without being declared an sp or pts. Although part of me feels like just unloading everything I have learned and read and just tell them they need to wake up and get out and to hell with being declared if it does or can sow enough doubt! However I know they strongley believe the tech works and that the best thing for this planet is for it to be cleared so is be wasting my time.

    So I have dropped subtle questions to date about why they have been asked to redo courses/buy new copies of books and I got the usual reply of they have been tampered with by people who have infiltrated scientology and there was errors so now re-released etc etc. I stated it sounded like a ploy to get extra money and what happens if 5/10 years down the line they ask you to do the same courses again or buy new books what would you do? They did actually say they would throw them all away so fingers crossed! Haha

    There has been a few other things I have talked about and tried to drop in countering points to their perspectuve of the flawless system of scientology!

    I notice as time goes by the more influence scientology has on their methods, the way they talk, behave, act, how they work etc from reading people's posts on here and it is ringing true for me. The main issue is that they are intensifying the number and level of courses they are doing and now really pushing it onto their kids to the extent they are all now in scientology and on course. I'm unsure if this is a recent emphasis or they just feel that they can trust me and speak openly about what they are doing or maybe they are getting pressure to get them all signed up and in. They even sent me a tech book to help my handle some of my so called issues which granted we can always find improvement but courses have been mentioned too. However more recently I have also been made to feel inept and incapable of the duties in my job because I haven't done the courses or trained for the position I have. They can also be stubborn, always right, come across as superior or firmly believe they are, a disregard to other business courses and also to peoples emotional or health issues as dianetics has the answers and they show a lack of empathy to most things outside of scientology.

    So what to do?

    The easy thing i guess Is leave them to it and let them figure it out for themselves. They have spent all their money on all these recent courses and that will be a lot.
    I'd have to go back but didn't you post this before?

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    Quote Originally Posted by dchoiceisalwaysrs View Post
    I'd have to go back but didn't you post this before?
    Yes, here: http://www.forum.exscn.net/showthrea...71#post1136971

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    That was my intro thread I just wanted a thread to find people who specifically have their own stories or experiences to share rather than advice on my situation which is what that was more about. However If a moderator feels it would better to delete this thread and I repost on that thread I will?

    I need to try something or a different approach, I thought about setting up fake profiles to send emails/links or anonymous mail but that could expose me. I just interested in other people's stories in attempting to get people they care about out.

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    Who are the mods so we can delete this thread?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Whattodo View Post
    Who are the mods so we can delete this thread?

    Are you crazy??! You can't know who the Mods are. I've been posting here for evah and I don't know who the Mods are. And NOTHING gets deleted from this Board! We don't Delete! Who is this "we" who can delete here? I'd like to delete a few dozen posts.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Whattodo View Post
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    So I have dropped subtle questions to date about why they have been asked to redo courses/buy new copies of books and I got the usual reply of they have been tampered with by people who have infiltrated scientology and there was errors so now re-released etc etc. I stated it sounded like a ploy to get extra money and what happens if 5/10 years down the line they ask you to do the same courses again or buy new books what would you do? They did actually say they would throw them all away so fingers crossed! Haha
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    If you start to appear interested in Scientology with questions then they will probably interpret this as an opening to proselytize and you will never hear the end of it until you become overtly critical. Scientologists are starved for a sympathetic ear. If they tell someone at the org that they have an FSM prospect then the reg will be nudging them behind the scenes. If they have any issues with the org then they might be inclined to use you as an excuse for PTSness.

    All people involved with Scientology aren't completely unreasonable and may even want to keep the Church at a comfortable distance but it can get complicated.

    Scientology has perfected the art of rewriting history. One of the things I get a kick out of Scio watching is the extent to which the past is censored. So many people who knew the history are out and banned. Issues are canceled and shredded and their distribution is increasingly restricted within the organization. In the Sea Org we were mostly clueless outside of our own immediate area so the public are at the complete whim of the party line. Even internal correspondence routings are often to cryptic acronym titles - not to the people who hold them so if the people disappear only a few in the know may know. They seem very paranoid of propping anyone up who seems to represent the Church with any authority or credibility because to the extent they do that the damage control will be more difficult when they defect so we get voice overs on promo films or walk-ons instead of a consistent spokesperson.

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    Default Re: Literally what to do!

    Quote Originally Posted by Whattodo View Post
    Who are the mods so we can delete this thread?
    There's no need to delete the thread, just continue the discussion.

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    Default Re: Literally what to do! - Getting people out.

    There have been many threads addressing this in various ways. Off hand I can't locate any, but, perhaps, others will be able to do so, and would provide some links.

    One important thing is to be prepared for a time when the person becomes disillusioned (or has an upset with Scientology even temporarily) and calls you on the phone or shows up at your door, seeking help.

    Let's see if anyone comes up with any links.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheOriginalBigBlue View Post
    If you start to appear interested in Scientology with questions then they will probably interpret this as an opening to proselytize and you will never hear the end of it until you become overtly critical. Scientologists are starved for a sympathetic ear. If they tell someone at the org that they have an FSM prospect then the reg will be nudging them behind the scenes. If they have any issues with the org then they might be inclined to use you as an excuse for PTSness.

    All people involved with Scientology aren't completely unreasonable and may even want to keep the Church at a comfortable distance but it can get complicated.

    Scientology has perfected the art of rewriting history. One of the things I get a kick out of Scio watching is the extent to which the past is censored. So many people who knew the history are out and banned. Issues are canceled and shredded and their distribution is increasingly restricted within the organization. In the Sea Org we were mostly clueless outside of our own immediate area so the public are at the complete whim of the party line. Even internal correspondence routings are often to cryptic acronym titles - not to the people who hold them so if the people disappear only a few in the know may know. They seem very paranoid of propping anyone up who seems to represent the Church with any authority or credibility because to the extent they do that the damage control will be more difficult when they defect so we get voice overs on promo films or walk-ons instead of a consistent spokesperson.
    Thank you, so in terms of original versions of booms etc rather than keep them for historical value they will just destroy them instead? Its enfuriating to see the level of covering up and how they literally bury their heads in the sand and ask no questions.

    I remember on my purif I would chat with 2/3 people after sessions and discuss other matters in the world. There was a big obsession with government conspiracy, ruling elites, other religions and how they have been manipulated, drug industry, physciaritry etc which was all very interesting but I had the same question in my head all the time "why then would you not question the cos and it's past if you are so sceptical about everything else"

    I just hope they trip up on these rewriting and this is the catalyst needed to create a chain of events for them to leave. I expect to be disappointed but hope for the best.

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