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    Thanks to the mirrored YouTube site of Marty's attack-the-critic series, I've watched a few more.

    In Marty's take down of Rinder, he goes into hair splitting about what Rinder said on Leah's show, what he said was his "biggest regret," and what he said on another show years before was his biggest regret. After finally getting what he was talking about, I thought his point was trite and presented in a way that was confusing.

    He's talking about what was said on Leah's show as if everyone who watched it has a perfect memory of everything that was said. And the way Marty talks about it, it would be incomprehensible to causal viewers of the show, let alone people who did not watch the show.

    First of all, in the context of a discussion, whether on TV or in person, one's "biggest regret" is libel to change, depending on what is being discussed. Also, over the years, a person's biggest regret might change.

    When you're trying to make a clear point about something, or maybe a little emotion is welling up about something, a person might exaggerate and say something is their biggest regret when they have other bigger regrets, and that's natural.

    When Marty shifts to things Rinder did or said in real life, about jobs he got through Rathbun or his relationship with his two kids who are still stuck in Scientology, Marty goes off on tangents about various minutiae and again, it becomes confusing as to what point he is trying to make.

    In Part 7, he drops the understatement, "I have been no friend of the Church of Scientology," to legitimize his criticism of others, like Rinder or Remini, who have, of late, also not been a friend of the Church of Scientology. He needed to expand on that.

    Yeah, Marty, that will really lend weight to your rambling pile of incoherent hair-splitting nonsense, but perhaps you should expand on the myriad of ways you haven't been a friend to the Church of Scientology and do a little explaining why you seem to be doing the cult's classic dirty work now, maybe?

    A funny throwaway line about Karen -- "I don't know how she makes her money..." Got to be something shady, like collecting original TK paintings, and selling prints of the "painter of light," Thomas Kinkade? Since no one's ever died of kitsch, it's not exactly like she's been running a child prostitution ring out of an ASC-run pizza parlor.

    Marty talks about Karen's desperate attempts to give him money, and be his "matron," but with strings attached about what to criticize. I bet none of it was in writing, like the agreement he's hammered out with CoS. And, uh, Marty, no, "matron" is not the female form of "patron." You need to do a little word clearing on that.

    The legitimacy of the way Karen earned her money is at the opposite end of the spectrum of what she's been accused of by CoS, abusing animals or children. I guess we're supposed to be relieved that Marty didn't go there?

    The words which keep springing to mind when I'm listening to Marty in this series are petty, trite, and above all, confusing. I've been following Scientology criticism for over 10 years now, and it's often hard for me to figure out what Marty is talking about, or what point he is trying to make. Sometimes, it sounds like he has a touch of Alzheimer's setting in.

    And when Marty would speak on TV programs criticizing Scientology, I was often impressed with how articulate he was. I could never speak that well on TV. I thought Marty's speaking ability was always way above his ability to express himself in writing, and that was probably something he got out of Scientology, in part.

    So I have to chalk this up to Marty needing to follow certain guidelines, which would on the surface please Miscavige, and part of it may be meant to confuse. That's what Miscavige may have wanted, so that Scientologists who see this will just zone out and think critics bad, Scientology good, Marty WTF. Scientologists need to focus on the road to clear and the bridge to total freedom, which would seem clear compared to this mess.

    Besides creating confusion and a diversion, and giving Marty a chance to dead agent himself, it seems the point of this is to sow distrust among critics of Scientology. What Miscavige seems to have missed is that, especially lately, no one trusted Marty anyway.

    The damage Marty did to CoS by speaking out about Miscavige beating his underlings, encouraging a culture of violence, which Marty admitted he was caught up in, that can't be undone. Fans of Leah's show are not going to even watch Marty's unintelligible videos, and if they do, they won't understand what he is talking about.
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    I would like to redefine ASC to make it more relevant: Anti Scientology Community

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    Quote Originally Posted by ThetanExterior View Post
    I would like to redefine ASC to make it more relevant: Anti Scientology Community
    Applying scientology Contradiction
    Each time I spot hypocrisy, it turns around and points at me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Boson Wog Stark View Post
    Thanks to the mirrored YouTube site of Marty's attack-the-critic series, I've watched a few more.

    In Marty's take down of Rinder, he goes into hair splitting about what Rinder said on Leah's show, what he said was his "biggest regret," and what he said on another show years before was his biggest regret. After finally getting what he was talking about, I thought his point was trite and presented in a way that was confusing.

    He's talking about what was said on Leah's show as if everyone who watched it has a perfect memory of everything that was said. And the way Marty talks about it, it would be incomprehensible to causal viewers of the show, let alone people who did not watch the show.

    First of all, in the context of a discussion, whether on TV or in person, one's "biggest regret" is libel to change, depending on what is being discussed. Also, over the years, a person's biggest regret might change.

    When you're trying to make a clear point about something, or maybe a little emotion is welling up about something, a person might exaggerate and say something is their biggest regret when they have other bigger regrets, and that's natural.

    When Marty shifts to things Rinder did or said in real life, about jobs he got through Rathbun or his relationship with his two kids who are still stuck in Scientology, Marty goes off on tangents about various minutiae and again, it becomes confusing as to what point he is trying to make.

    In Part 7, he drops the understatement, "I have been no friend of the Church of Scientology," to legitimize his criticism of others, like Rinder or Remini, who have, of late, also not been a friend of the Church of Scientology. He needed to expand on that.

    Yeah, Marty, that will really lend weight to your rambling pile of incoherent hair-splitting nonsense, but perhaps you should expand on the myriad of ways you haven't been a friend to the Church of Scientology and do a little explaining why you seem to be doing the cult's classic dirty work now, maybe?

    A funny throwaway line about Karen -- "I don't know how she makes her money..." Got to be something shady, like collecting original TK paintings, and selling prints of the "painter of light," Thomas Kinkade? Since no one's ever died of kitsch, it's not exactly like she's been running a child prostitution ring out of an ASC-run pizza parlor.

    Marty talks about Karen's desperate attempts to give him money, and be his "matron," but with strings attached about what to criticize. I bet none of it was in writing, like the agreement he's hammered out with CoS. And, uh, Marty, no, "matron" is not the female form of "patron." You need to do a little word clearing on that.

    The legitimacy of the way Karen earned her money is at the opposite end of the spectrum of what she's been accused of by CoS, abusing animals or children. I guess we're supposed to be relieved that Marty didn't go there?

    The words which keep springing to mind when I'm listening to Marty in this series are petty, trite, and above all, confusing. I've been following Scientology criticism for over 10 years now, and it's often hard for me to figure out what Marty is talking about, or what point he is trying to make. Sometimes, it sounds like he has a touch of Alzheimer's setting in.

    And when Marty would speak on TV programs criticizing Scientology, I was often impressed with how articulate he was. I could never speak that well on TV. I thought Marty's speaking ability was always way above his ability to express himself in writing, and that was probably something he got out of Scientology, in part.

    So I have to chalk this up to Marty needing to follow certain guidelines, which would on the surface please Miscavige, and part of it may be meant to confuse. That's what Miscavige may have wanted, so that Scientologists who see this will just zone out and think critics bad, Scientology good, Marty WTF. Scientologists need to focus on the road to clear and the bridge to total freedom, which would seem clear compared to this mess.

    Besides creating confusion and a diversion, and giving Marty a chance to dead agent himself, it seems the point of this is to sow distrust among critics of Scientology. What Miscavige seems to have missed is that, especially lately, no one trusted Marty anyway.

    The damage Marty did to CoS by speaking out about Miscavige beating his underlings, encouraging a culture of violence, which Marty admitted he was caught up in, that can't be undone. Fans of Leah's show are not going to even watch Marty's unintelligible videos, and if they do, they won't understand what he is talking about.
    (Bolding is mine) Or give a shit . . . .

    In Part 7, he drops the understatement, "I have been no friend of the Church of Scientology," - or to his 'out-ex' friends. That has become quite clear.

    Mawty - is there anyone in your life that you have not burned? Hmmm - makes me wonder - about his closest human relationship/s . . .
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    Quote Originally Posted by ThetanExterior View Post
    I would like to redefine ASC to make it more relevant: Anti Scientology Community
    Or the AASC (Association Against Scientology Crimewave)

    Hmmm, on second thought, I like yours better.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Boson Wog Stark View Post
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    The words which keep springing to mind when I'm listening to Marty in this series are petty, trite, and above all, confusing. I've been following Scientology criticism for over 10 years now, and it's often hard for me to figure out what Marty is talking about, or what point he is trying to make. Sometimes, it sounds like he has a touch of Alzheimer's setting in. ...
    Yes, that sums Marty up quite well, also "not to be trusted" as has also been said by many.

    Marty, the Dabbler in Murkiness.

    His main redeeming quality was that he did help quite a few to get out of the cult and was the lightning rod for the ex-member community for a few years. Well, that was then, this is now.

    NO ONE trusts him and I bet Miscavige doesn't even trust him. He's now just a tool to be used.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Veda View Post
    From Hubbard's 'Black Propaganda' of 12 January 1972:

    "The objective is to be identified as attackers of popularly considered evils. This declassifies us from former labels. It reclassifies our attackers as evil people."



    Well meaning dupes ("useful idiots") participate in a sometimes front group (hides connection to Scientology), sometimes Public Relations group (advertises connection to Scientology).




    Marty's blog is looking more and more choreographed.

    A comment from Karmageddon Kaleidescope, under "LEAH AND HER TROUBLEMAKERS PART 8," features imported content - labelled "Tony Ortega unhinged" - from the Facebook site SPs 'r' US, where Mike Hobson (in the role of the "useful idiot") argues with Tony Ortega.

    Under that is a comment from Jane Stands Up:

    "Ill willed journalists have been a persistent problem in our country. Due to his conspiracy in using the village voice as a front for back page on line sex trafficking syndicate, American taxpayers are now hit with an annual bill of over 50 million dollars just in damage control, and this does not include the expenses of law enforcement. Which is vastly greater."


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    Since November 2015, with the 'When Distraction becomes Destructive' article, Marty's writing, on his blog, has sounded a lot like the writing found in Scientology's hopelessly contrived 'Freedom magazine'.


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    The inception of the Citizens Commission on Human Rights and also of Freedom magazine is 'Ron's Journal 68':

    "...And the general attack line is along the line of human rights; yes human rights...

    Now I'll give you a clue on how this is handled, somebody comes up to you he's hostile - he's hostile to Scientology and he says to you and he says 'na na na na' and you say why are you against human rights and uh and if you know anything about human rights like the universal declaration of human rights, United Nations - that sort of thing you know if you know something about this subject you just follow it right straight up - in other words you don't defend Scientology, you just attack along this line of human rights, you see...

    Tell him or her ...uh ...the hostile person the hostile press line uh...for instance a newspaper writes an article on how bad Scientology is - any Scientologist reading this should run right to that newspaper and demand: Why are you against human rights?...

    Whereas an attack on Scientology is actually an attack on human rights - anyone making an attack on Scientology is an attack on human rights...

    Each time Scientology is attacked, we build into society, if you do this, we'll build into society an actual stimulus response mechanism whereas an attack on Scientology is an attack on human rights".



    Scientology is ever dodgy.
    There are some great books out exposing the nature of Scientology, but imo there's a great need for a book that educates government officials, law enforcement, media, etc. in exactly the type of information you've presented above.

    I don't know that a book of that nature could make money for its authors using traditional marketing methods, just due to the limited target audience, but I would bet that someone who was both knowledgeable about scientology and an expert in crowdfunding could draw up a successful campaign.

    Of the millions of people that will soon be watching Season Two of Leah's show, many would be willing to donate for just such a project, if it's presented well to them.

    A book of this nature could go a long ways towards protecting society from this organization.

    A chapter for judges and lawyers would be good as well, giving them an introduction to the scientology playbook in the legal arena.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Boson Wog Stark View Post
    In addition to Marty's "tells," the blinking and stammering, there is the very odd omission of no real mention of why he made this particular series in this manner, including breaking it up in tiny segments, which he didn't feel compelled to do in the past with his videos.
    I'm sure that breaking it up into tiny segments is so that there are more hits for search engines to find.

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    I'm sure that breaking it up into tiny segments is so that there are more hits for search engines to find.
    WoW! I didn't think of that. Search Engine manipulation....

    Sure reminds me of a Cult Operation to do the same thing....( to the Internet search engines ) back in the 90's.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WildKat View Post
    Yes, that sums Marty up quite well, also "not to be trusted" as has also been said by many.

    Marty, the Dabbler in Murkiness.

    His main redeeming quality was that he did help quite a few to get out of the cult and was the lightning rod for the ex-member community for a few years. Well, that was then, this is now.

    NO ONE trusts him and I bet Miscavige doesn't even trust him. He's now just a tool to be used.
    Yes he has helped people. I agree. He did. That is good.

    I wonder who has reached more people, more consistently over a longer time, also with personal risk....

    Emma or Marty?

    Did Emma disclose all our personal data and keys to esmb when she was fair gamed?
    How about when she was bitterly attacked by other exes?
    She kept quiet or kept it to closed groups or posted completely straightforward explanations. No youtube dramatics, no guru status whoring. No celebrity\ego stroking. No cryptic clues an d condescension.

    So on the scales of helping people who really was the heavyweight? And who promoted himself heavily to appear the heavyweight. Smooze enough celebrities and that one shocker might seem like five.

    So how long is this helping people currency going to last, because I suspect it may be worth less than we think.
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