Auditing Experiences

[caroline88]

Hello,
I'm doing research for an anthropology paper- I started another thread a little farther back. Would anyone be willing to talk to me about their specific experiences entering the Church and auditing?

Basically, once you entered the Church- what in your previous life changed?

What was your auditing experience like?

What level were you able to attain?

Some people say there are many negatives that go along with auditing- would you agree, or disagree?


Thank you! I really appreciate all this help.

[SomeGuy]

Hello,

I know auditing is often criticized as brainwashing- Would you agree? Why?

I can't help you with any of your questions, just making a note, that this is an odd way to form the question. Meaning it has built in latent bias to those wishing to answer it.

I would rephrase it to something more like:

"Some people consider auditing to be brainwashing, Would you agree or disagree with this statement and please expand on your reasons."

That makes it a neutral question as opposed to one trying to fit a predetermined purpose. Just my .02 on the issue.

(I do have an opinion on it but since it would be from second hand knowledge that is all it is.)

[grundy]

Basically, once you entered the Church- what in your previous life changed?

My hatred for all things religious. I used to hate all religions, especially christian. After a procedure to clear up past misunderstood words, my hatred disappated and I began to respect them.

What was your auditing experience like?

Generally good. I felt many times a lightening of my moods and myself. Increased clarity. A lessening of general upset.

What level were you able to attain?

Clear

I know auditing is often criticized as brainwashing- Would you agree? Why?

No. Because in auditing, one is not allowed to begin the procedure unless well fed and well rested. One is not told what to answer or told what to think.

There are questions that are asked that can be viewed as leading, but in general the questions don't have this result.

The "brainwashing" is often the result of others telling you what to think or now allowing you to question to written works of L. Ron Hubbard as presented. The assumption is that nothing in them is ever wrong.

Realize, I was involved in the training aspect of Scientology, and I avoided telling people what they thought was wrong or telling them. But I would lead them, through different materials to conclusions that I wanted them to make.

But at the end, it's what they thought.

"Ethics" and "Justice" procedures tend to be the most guilty of this stigma. Often procedures and actions are done when the person is emotionally distraught or feeling guilty. Many times the person could be tired or hungry - although this is NOT the way it is supposed tobe done.

People involved with this aspect are not explicitly directed to avoid telling evaulating (telling a person what to think) or invalidating (telling a person he is wrong).

Registration for more services are often done with evaluation/invalidation and an attempt at positive reinforcement.

But the actual auditing procedure? No. I don't think so.

[Div6]

Hello,
I'm doing research for an anthropology paper- I started another thread a little farther back. Would anyone be willing to talk to me about their specific experiences entering the Church and auditing?

Basically, once you entered the Church- what in your previous life changed?

What was your auditing experience like?

What level were you able to attain?

I know auditing is often criticized as brainwashing- Would you agree? Why?


Thank you! I really appreciate all this help.

1. I made a clean break with the past, dumped all my druggie friends, and made a clean start of things at the ripe old age of 20.

2. First grade chart action was purification rundown...about 30 days on it. Went exterior from the body and maintained it for about 6 weeks. Very exhilarating experience....after that did a repair action "on the cans". Ran "past lives" in the first hour...that was it for me. Continued on, went "clear" and have logged many many of hours solo auditing on OT levels.

3. Last attested level - OT IV (in the Freezone, Class VIII auditor and CS).

4. Auditing as it is intended to be used can undo the effects of brainwashing.
The current "church" has some major squirreling going on, and uses auditing in a destructive manner to "stick people in incidents" and give them many "wrong indications". I call it a sick form of mental abuse.

[Mark A. Baker]

Basically, once you entered the Church- what in your previous life changed?

Most exceptionally, the way I view myself.

It is directly as a result of my experiences in auditing that I KNOW I am a spiritual being. I no longer simply identify myself in terms of a body.

This is a HUGE distinction which can not adequately be expressed but only experienced.

What was your auditing experience like?

Sitting in a chair in a quiet room and talking to a friend, mostly. Some walking around the neighborhood and looking at things. A few miserable days spent sweating in a wretched sauna, but I prefer not to be reminded of those.

Seriously, auditing is simply taking the time out to engage in a little direct one-on-one communication with an eye towards discovering what makes you think, react, or feel the way you do.

There exist a wide variety of processes & techniques which qualify as auditing. All of them have in common the element of reflective communication with another person.

Well, except for the sauna. That's just sweat.

What level were you able to attain?

Clear in the church. OT III in the freezone.

I know auditing is often criticized as brainwashing- Would you agree? Why?

Nope, not even slightly.

That auditing is best when it involves the active participation of the pc. That is a principle feature of a "standard tech" session.

It is the blowing apart of mental attenuation that is the most exciting aspect of auditing.

Thank you! I really appreciate all this help.

You'll be receiving the bill.


Mark A. Baker

[Wisened One]

Hello,

Basically, once you entered the Church- what in your previous life changed?

Gave up my 'old' friends/hobbies, etc. Felt part of a group and that I belonged and was liked.

What was your auditing experience like?

Personally: I had great experiences with all my auditing and each of my auditors. Session wins were: felt very relieved, lighter, went 'exterior' 'buzzed' and happy after sessions.

What level were you able to attain?

Didn't get up to the pre-OT levels or training.

Some people say there are many negatives that go along with auditing- would you agree, or disagree?

Not that I can think of right now....the repetive questions can be sort of strange at first....that might seem like a weird form of brainwashing, I don't know. But I personally had good results from all my sessions.

Not that you asked this, but just ext info....My main beef is with CoS....all the hypocrisy with treatment/conditions of Staff/SO, Children, The scam and costs of OT levels, issue with costs of bridge, things like that.

Like Elvis said about CoS: 'They're all Head and No Heart'.....

But all in all, my auditing experiences as a Public or Staff giving and receiving auditing/courses....really weren't unpleasant for me....


Thank you! I really appreciate all this help.

No prob!

Wisened One

[caroline88]

You're all amazingly fast responders! Thank you!


What changed once you became a CP? Did you believe in Xenu? Is that a concept that is widely agreed upon?

[Roland ami]

In order to understand the whole Scn and CoS experience, you have to get a real handle on the subject of auditing. People who have not experienced it, either giving or receiving, tend to have a very unrealistic idea of what it is like.

The first thing to understand is that it is totally, completely different from the whole of the rest of the Scn or CoS experience. Most of the latter is completely at odds with the auditing side, and is a main part of the reason that the FZ tends to be made up of auditors, not excecs. In fact the contrast is so very marked that it is in itself a very interesting phenomenon.

Still, to answer your questions:

Basically, once you entered the Church- what in your previous life changed?

The first auditing I ever got was a "touch assist", a very basic procedure, because I was suffereing from a tooth abscess. If you haven't had one of these, feel lucky - they are Extremely Painful! I had previously suffered through the results of English dentisrty on one, and had been in pain for a year as a result; so I knew what this was going to be like. The touch assist completely, and I mean completely, got rid of the pain. I was most surprised, and very impressed.

Later, I swapped what are called Objective processes with other people, and experienced the phenomenon called "exteriorization", the overwhelming impression that one is outside of one's body. This too was a very impressive experience - the more so because of the obvious effect on another person when you exteriorized them.

These experiences, along with others, convinced me that I was in fact a spiritual, rather than a purely physical, being.

What was your auditing experience like?

I did a lot of co-auditing, I got a bunch of set up auditing, and then at Flag I got a lot of review and sec check auditing associated with OTVII. I also did a lot of auditing on others at AOLA and ASHO, and of course did a lot of solo too.

Generally, except the Flag Sec-Checking, I enjoyed it all, and got lots of realizations, epiphanies, whatever you want to call it, out of it. My PC's (the people I auditited) by and large seemed to get a lot out of it too.

One example of a pc I audited was a person who had never had any kind of a love relationship in their entire life. (I will call the person "they" so as to disguise any identification). They didn't much like this, but they thought that that was the way things were, and had basically given up, after trying hetero and homo-sexual lovers. I studied the folder, and realized that they were suffering, probably, from a particular thing (not identified so as not to key them in if they happen to be reading this!), and so c/sed (wrote out instructions) to ask about this (among other things, in case that wasn't it). Sure enough, I'd nailed it, and after 20 minutes or so they were not only blown out (deliriously happy, walking on air) but went off and got married a few months later. I hope that worked out!

Generally, there is nothing better than sorting out a person, changing their life from bleagh to enthusiastic.

On the other hand, endless sec-checking at Flag (this is auditing designed to weed out objectionable people) was the opposite. Pointless, in fact degrading, and miserable.

I'm the person who talks at the start of the recent TV program about the Freezone - and about the only thing they left in the show was my comment that auditing is great stuff if it is done *for* the pc, not for the organization.

What level were you able to attain?

I was on OTVII (solo NOTs), and was a permanent Class VI FPRD auditor, with lots of OT review experience.

Some people say there are many negatives that go along with auditing- would you agree, or disagree?

There are some. In the HGC there is a lot of emphasis on production - getting hours. This goes against thoroughness in that auditors have to wing it too much, rather than spend real time studying folders and figuring out what to do next. On the other hand, auditing is so expensive in the HGC that people want to minimise what they do there, rather than milking things for all they are worth. The best thing to do is to co-audit your way up in a leisurely fashion. I did hundreds of hours of FPRD in this fashion.

The worst thing is the NAY sec checking. NAY stands for "I'm Not Auditing You", which is what you tell the PC when you are about to ask him about bad stuff he's done, and that you are going to tell the ethics officer so he can be keyed back into it all when you've done keying him out. Endless digging for overts and withholds, and always with a slant that you are judged according to how the Church thinks. Alan Waters has written eloquently on how bad this is. It was almost funny how all the pre-OTs in the Flag OTVII HGC were pretending to be cheerful while they were waiting for yet another bloody sec check. It is also "out-tech", that is, technically incorrect, to do that amongst other major actions such as solo NOTs, and is IMO one of the main reasons people take forever on that level and don't get any wins on it.

Hope this helps.

If you don't understand just how good auditing can be, how liberating, energizing, and freeing it can be, you won't have a clue why people stay in and support the CoS. It isn't that they are brainwashed, or willing or unwilling slaves - it is that the auditing is so very good that pretty much anything is tolerable if it means they can get more of it, and make it OK for others to get it.

Roland

[PirateAndBum]

Roland you make it sound like a drug! LOL

Yes, auditing when well done is quite an amazing thing. Far too little of it is actually done. As you said, the price of it is prohibitive of really digging in and getting things handled. Co-auditing is a good way to go if you have a competent partner to do it with.

[Dulloldfart]

In order to understand the whole Scn and CoS experience, you have to get a real handle on the subject of auditing. People who have not experienced it, either giving or receiving, tend to have a very unrealistic idea of what it is like.

Nice post, Roland.

Caroline88, I point this out every now and then: you can get a pretty good idea of what auditing feels like by following along with the procedure in one of my basic YouTube videos:



By "following along" I mean actually doing the procedure, not sitting back and imagining how it might be done. The video is designed to give an auditing session to the viewer. It is not exactly Scientology, but close enough.

Paul