PRe OT and OT Levels

[games conditioned]

Your question about previous universes only makes sense if you assume time exists outside of this universe, which it may not, or as I said above, it may operate and flow differently.

No, I didn't ask when the previous universe came about, I asked how. So HOW did the previous universe (that caused this universe) come about?

And, again, not knowing what the cause of something doesn't mean God did it.

Sure, I'm not arguing for God. I'm just asking how stuff works according to your theory of the mind, evolution and universe(s)...

[uniquemand]

My theory? Lol. These aren't my theories. They are the prevailing theories.

A) Evolution through natural selection (I didn't make this).

B) Big bang and the inflationary universe (I can't take credit for this gem, either)

Again, time could move differently in other universes. How they came about is something I cannot explain. I don't have special access to the laws of the universe. I'm not saying anything radical, just that the Big Bang occurred, thermodynamics applies here, negentropy exists and I think it relates to evolution, evolution occurs, and perhaps the one area I'm a bit out on a shaky limb on is that I believe consciousness occurs in creatures with well-developed neo-cortexes. I think spirituality is an error of a program trying to understand itself, sort of like looking at yourself in a mirror, and thinking it's someone else. We reflect on ourselves, and think there's someone or something else there. That's all I've got.

[games conditioned]

My theory? Lol. These aren't my theories. They are the prevailing theories.

A) Evolution through natural selection (I didn't make this).

B) Big bang and the inflationary universe (I can't take credit for this gem, either)

Never meant yours in terms of you originating them (obviously), just in terms of adopting them as your preferences.

Again, time could move differently in other universes. How they came about is something I cannot explain. I don't have special access to the laws of the universe.

So your speciality is just the mind and evolution then?

I'm not saying anything radical, just that the Big Bang occurred, thermodynamics applies here, negentropy exists and I think it relates to evolution, evolution occurs, and perhaps the one area I'm a bit out on a shaky limb on is that I believe consciousness occurs in creatures with well-developed neo-cortexes.

There is also the theory of the consciousness of matter (no neo-cortex needed!)

There are lots of theories of the mind, nature and origin of the universe, and same of consciousness, but no real scientific proof on any of it really. The somewhat overwhelming thing is that there is an infinite amount of data to perceive and record, and infinite ways to interpret that data, meaning infinite theories, and infinite models of realities.

I think spirituality is an error of a program trying to understand itself, sort of like looking at yourself in a mirror, and thinking it's someone else. We reflect on ourselves, and think there's someone or something else there. That's all I've got.

How did the program come about?

[uniquemand]

How does DNA create bodies? Feedback, evolution. DNA, to me, uses a programming language (amino acids) to build bodies. I think it's entirely due to evolution. I feel the same about the mind, I think it's an evolution due to evolutionary advantages for tool use. I think it's a byproduct of that sort of problem-solving.

It's my specialty in that I've looked at a lot of material concerning this (not just scientology stuff, not by a longshot), but not in that I consider myself a special master, or something, just have a lot of viewpoints and information, still trying to find the best way to arrange it all. Best thing I've seen so far is metapsychology, but I like Pinker, too.

[games conditioned]

How does DNA create bodies? Feedback, evolution. DNA, to me, uses a programming language (amino acids) to build bodies. I think it's entirely due to evolution. I feel the same about the mind, I think it's an evolution due to evolutionary advantages for tool use. I think it's a byproduct of that sort of problem-solving.

So you are saying the mind is a program written by DNA using amino acids as a programming language.

How did DNA come about?

It's my specialty in that I've looked at a lot of material concerning this (not just scientology stuff, not by a longshot), but not in that I consider myself a special master, or something, just have a lot of viewpoints and information, still trying to find the best way to arrange it all. Best thing I've seen so far is metapsychology, but I like Pinker, too.

I'm not too familar with metapsychology other than it using dianetic and scientology techniques and being originated by scientologists. What does metapsychology say about the nature/origin of the universe/mind/consciousness?

[Carnaubawax]

How does DNA create bodies? Feedback, evolution. DNA, to me, uses a programming language (amino acids) to build bodies. I think it's entirely due to evolution. I feel the same about the mind, I think it's an evolution due to evolutionary advantages for tool use. I think it's a byproduct of that sort of problem-solving.

It's my specialty in that I've looked at a lot of material concerning this (not just scientology stuff, not by a longshot), but not in that I consider myself a special master, or something, just have a lot of viewpoints and information, still trying to find the best way to arrange it all. Best thing I've seen so far is metapsychology, but I like Pinker, too.

1. Define 'Mind.'

2. Locate 'mind.'

If you can do either 1 or 2 in a useful way, I will be impressed.

[uniquemand]

1. A collection of viewpoints held by a person at one time or another, and any considerations about those viewpoints, or about his considerations.

2. Located inside a virtual reality created by his nervous system.

Hope you're impressed.

[Veda]

The Wikileaks OT levels link in the thread (post #3) below is currently working. Similar link in top post is not.

http://forum.exscn.net/showthread.php?p=174946

My apologies for some duplication in links attached to other linked posts.

[XenuEtrawls]

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Originally Posted by ImOut View Post
I wonder if I'm a past life OT II. I have NO problem confronting my whole track. Just can't see the whole damn thing.


"I can't see my "whole track" at all. Guess I as-issed it in a past life."


I CAN see the WHOLE TRACK as well. I'm a BiG HUGE *thetanic* OT but I can still sit on the floor and play with my kid and his 'lectric train too. And when I DO, I can see the whole damn entire TRACK. Oh and I can have fun, also. ;-)

The rest of the mumbo-jumbo on this thread, I must've as-ised -as you did with the whole track- in a previous life.

Forget about "Scientology," it originally meant "pseudo-science" anyway and who cares about that?! Personally, I find it hard to conceive some would still attempt to promulgate the ramblings, prevarications & plagiarizations of a CON MAN!

There are NO Clears or OTs in ALL Scientology; the Cof$, Freezone or whatever else anyone wants to call it. Zero, none, zilch. The day there are, they'll have people tripping over themselves to get some. So all of Ron's P.R. would be TRUE if his original premises about Clears, OTs & others, were also TRUE. But all there ever was from the Prevaricating Trouble Source were LIES and MORE LIES. Maybe that's why he called them the Ls, for LIES.

To me, it's all mental masturbation. But I guess it's also a right and can be a good "hobby" for some - no matter how they want to embellish it.

Count me ALL THE WAY OUT! I'm going back to my Markabian Home Planet on my favorite DC-8. Good luck with the stroking.


P.S. Does anyone remember the other evil character's name we'd also meet or encounter besides Xenu that I remember reading on the Free Zone or Ron's orgs; possibly started by Cptn Bill?

[Dulloldfart]

P.S. Does anyone remember the other evil character's name we'd also meet or encounter besides Xenu that I remember reading on the Free Zone or Ron's orgs; possibly started by Cptn Bill?

Wasn't it something like Yastrus, although that isn't it exactly? I don't know where the idea came from, but would guess it was one of CBR's telepathic sessions with Ronnie baby on the mothership.

Paul