Mary Panton (DeMoss) Blew

[Wisened One]

I agree, WO. I wouldn't be willing to give any data to her or her associates, but would be very interested in what she might be willing to divulge. Considering what we know she DID agree with, I'd be curious to know what the church could have possibly done that she didn't agree with. Ya' know? She's been in the thick of some pretty bizarre stuff. Do you think she caught on that she was just being used all along? Perhaps she discovered some of the lies she fell for. It's hard to know. I do kinda feel for her. I'm sure she's hurting.

GT: Yeah, I feel for her too, IF she really HAS 'blown for real'. Hopefully soon, her and others will come out of the woodwork?!

I'd also love to hear what Rinder has to say...can you image the book/interviews he could come out with?

[lionheart]

This woman is a test of my professed Christianity. I am now confronting the possibility of my own hypocrisy. If I can find a way to forgive this one (considering the connection to Lisa McPherson and her behavior towards critics) I will have come a long way, personally. I'm trying, but it is going to take some time. If she ever shows up here, I'll see it as a good sign. I hope she does. But it'll be a test.

You can do it, my friend. None of us are without fault for what we did while in Scn. Forgive yourself and the rest will flow naturally.

[Free to shine]

Mark Bunker speaks to Mary:

[OHTEEATE]

Hmmm... this could be very interesting. Anyone know what's up with Mary's mom? Possibly she's out now too. Both of these ladies could make some real trouble for whichever side they choose to. I hope we get updates on this one!

Marys Mom sold our house for us in 2004 and has an office downtown. She is an OT 8. Another Scientologist forced to choose when a family member blows? If Mary was not SO, then simply not continuing to volunteer would not get her an SP declare. She would simply be "handled" to get back on lines. The reality is, that unless you can afford $50,000 a year for Scientology, you are going to be training, and that's it. Anything on the processing side, especially pre-OT levels, and you had better have some serious cash on hand. Living in Clearwater doesn't really help much. The number of people who are actually on OT levels planet wide is probably under 20,000.

[Oceanborn_Angel]

I just want to say, if Mary DeMoss is in here I'd like to extend my hand to her as a friend. I can't say enough how much newly blown Ex Scientologists need the support from people, and I believe especially from people like myself who've never been in the church. I guess you could call it my way of extending the proverbial Olive Branch. Just give me a PM. I'm always willing to chat with anyone.

[Wisened One]

Wow. What an emotional video from Mark Bunker to Mary.

I wonder what Mary would be like 'out'.

I'm sure she's got a LOT to go through in her mind and soul right now.

And I also wonder if her mom, Liz will/has also 'left' with her.....

Well I hope Mary and others (like Rinder,etc) show up on one of these boards, SOON!

I extend a comforting,relieved hug to Mary and she's welcome to PM me, too.

Michelle

[sandygirl]

Originally Posted by Escalus
This woman is a test of my professed Christianity. I am now confronting the possibility of my own hypocrisy. If I can find a way to forgive this one (considering the connection to Lisa McPherson and her behavior towards critics) I will have come a long way, personally. I'm trying, but it is going to take some time. If she ever shows up here, I'll see it as a good sign. I hope she does. But it'll be a test.

I have to say I'm more of the Escalus mindset right now. Too many sessions with women like Mary where I just felt my mind would snap if I couldn't get out of there!!!

I remember one with some SO missionaire named Sudz(sp) where I thought OMG are you even human? If I stay in $cio will I end up like that?

Mark Bunker is a hell of a guy though! Great Video! I doubt Mary will even let herself look at a "critic" site for a long time. She has a long road to travel if she's planning on remaining out. Sounds like she will have some family problems ahead!

Another example of the church using up someone who just wanted to help!

Classic.

[Smitty]

I remember one with some SO missionaire named Sudz(sp) where I thought OMG are you even human? If I stay in $cio will I end up like that?

When was that? The only Sudz I know of in scientology was a Mike Sudz who was originally from Ann Arbor, Mich. He had a daughter who would be in her late 20's named Nicole.
Mike was a very nasty fellow. Downright anti-social. And that way all the time. I don't know what Nicole was like.
Smitty

[sandygirl]

This woman was in her late 20's or early thirties. "Nasty" is a kind way of describing this one. I'm really not being mean-she was one really disagreeable person. I think of this as a "type" because I am surprised at how many SO people I met that acted this way.

Was it ever effective?

I always used to wonder if they couldn't make it in the "real" world and got off on being little Hitler wanna bes in th SO.

Anyways this Sudz character was one of my final turn offs.

I wonder if she ever heard of ARC?

[grundy]

Mike Sudz was at the Detroit Org before that. (And btw - I think the Ann Arbor org moved to Grand Rapids ....) And so was his wife. I got along okay with them because I was detroit foundation and he was the Reg for detroit day. So I didn't have to cross his path much.

Nicole was okay. I trained with her (I think) along with Sara Reaver, Jenny Jajuga and others from Detroit and Ann Arbor on the Golden Age of Tech evolution. I don't remember which girls I trained with. They were almost all people that had been my students at an earlier time when I was Class V (Class IV at the time) org staff. Almost all young and attractive.

I didn't know Nicole as well (she didn't take courses with me), and so she was a little standoffish towards me though. But not really stuck up or a bit$# or anything. Of course she was at a class V org then and not in the SO. So I don't know if it was her .......