A question

[alex]

Thank you all for your responses so far. Interesting takes.


What about:

Wanting to shut up ones mind?

I can see that. A person who didn't realize that they create their mind, feeling overwhelmed by it and wanting to turn it off.

I have always known that I could withdraw from or get out of my mind, so I have never been that desperate about it.

But yea, that wouldn't have the aspect so much of asserting rightness, but be more a practical solution to an untenable situation.

Whats up with the interest in suicide?

alex

[Howard]

Thank you all for your responses so far. Interesting takes.


What about:

Wanting to shut up ones mind?

Second thoughts.

It's always seemed to me that the longer people spend
entangled in the more 'advanced' CoS levels, the more that
'mind talk' intrudes.

"Thinking is trial work"

Here's a general suggestion to any and all who may experience
this - take a sabbatical from exscn/ocb/ars et al. Pay more
attention to your RL life, dreams, needs and responsibilities.

I say this, not as some overwheening bit of arrogant
grandiosity; just something that's worked for me (as a wog).


Howard

[SchwimmelPuckel]

I sure hope that Beas interest in this is theoretical... If not, keep talking!

[grundy]

What about: Wanting to shut up ones mind?

Hmmm .....

I think I don't understand the question.

But, I'll try.

I really do hold to the belief that having a plethora of thoughts and voices and rememberences of negative experiences and worries basically is a lack of confront. I notice that when this happens to me, it is because I am not viewing something (usually the thing I am worried about) fully. I am trying to avoid it.

And so it sticks in my head until I actually confront it.

BE IN PRESENT TIME! That's my take on the solution for it.

[WrongPlaceRightTime]

Hi Bea et al.

I have some personal experience with this phenomena. In my father's case it was most definately a "got to get out of here" *end cycle* rather than a make wrong.

In my (even)younger years,and B.D.D. (Before Dad's Death), I thought about suicide a lot- kind of loosely considering it as an option to end my suffering. Nothing serious, just adolescent brooding.<---- that was most definately a "ser fac"- I wanted to commit suicide to get attention, but I came to the logical conclusion that I wouldn't be able to enjoy the attention if I was dead... or that I had no garuntee of being able to experience it- the after life has not been confirmed.

My father's death was like a big shock that refocused my attention on to trying to understand what was infront of me: the human race, The cultures of the human race, how culture evolves, birth/marriage/death in each culture and especially MY culture. His death caused me to revaluate what is truly important in life. His death caused me to see the "bigger picture".

In the first 4 years after he died I thought about ending my life quite a lot. It's not that I wanted to die, I just didn't want to continue living on this Earth with all of this yucky stuff that humans do to each other and to our planet. I was depressed and on my own, struggling to figure *IT ALL* out.

So how did Ron come up with the "ser fac" ? how do those words even break down? I know what a facsimile is, and that definition doesn't seem to even fit into the space Ron is trying to fit it into. It means to duplicate. RIGHT?



I make a point though it is obtuse. Just adding my 2 cents.

[alex]

Hi Bea et al.

I have some personal experience with this phenomena. In my father's case it was most definately a "got to get out of here" *end cycle* rather than a make wrong.

In my (even)younger years,and B.D.D. (Before Dad's Death), I thought about suicide a lot- kind of loosely considering it as an option to end my suffering. Nothing serious, just adolescent brooding.<---- that was most definately a "ser fac"- I wanted to commit suicide to get attention, but I came to the logical conclusion that I wouldn't be able to enjoy the attention if I was dead... or that I had no garuntee of being able to experience it- the after life has not been confirmed.

My father's death was like a big shock that refocused my attention on to trying to understand what was infront of me: the human race, The cultures of the human race, how culture evolves, birth/marriage/death in each culture and especially MY culture. His death caused me to revaluate what is truly important in life. His death caused me to see the "bigger picture".

In the first 4 years after he died I thought about ending my life quite a lot. It's not that I wanted to die, I just didn't want to continue living on this Earth with all of this yucky stuff that humans do to each other and to our planet. I was depressed and on my own, struggling to figure *IT ALL* out.

So how did Ron come up with the "ser fac" ? how do those words even break down? I know what a facsimile is, and that definition doesn't seem to even fit into the space Ron is trying to fit it into. It means to duplicate. RIGHT?



I make a point though it is obtuse. Just adding my 2 cents.

http://www.scientology.org/gloss.htm

"service facsimile: a consideration that one must be consistently in a certain state in order to survive. This consideration will cause the individual to deliberately hold in restimulation selected parts of his reactive mind to explain his failures in life. For example, a person may keep an old injury in restimulation so that his family has to look after him."

It is a facsimile that provides a service to the person. It serves to make him right, to "explain his failures in life". A device to make rational, what may not be.

alex

[Escalus]

And on a related note I have a buddy who used to work for a crime-scene clean-up company. He said the easiest job they ever had was a guy who put a big wooden barrel in his living room, lined the inside with cloth towels and emptied a whole roll of paper towels on the bottom of it, got inside, and blew his brains out.

Nothing to clean up, you see. All in the barrel, which they just put on a two-wheeler and wheeled out.

My guy was constantly mystified by that, and it stuck with him a while over all the really bad things he'd seen. The guy was miserable or sad or whatever you might call it enough to take his own life - but he deliberately set things up so as not to trouble anyone who would have to clean it up.

That seemed a particularly odd combination of thoughts for the guy to have at the same time. Almost really sad when you think about it.

[Voltaire's Child]

I think it depends on the situation. There are people who thoughtfully plan it out- they have a fatal disease or something, and they just want to go.

It's never just one phenomenon.

But it's always risky. It tends to not work out as well as planned. This I know for a fact.

[gomorrhan]

That's really darkly humorous. I would think the easiest way to clean up your own suicide is just to take a lot of heroin in a single blast. Go out happy.

[Vinaire]

What is suicide?

In Scientology they say it is a service facsimile.

Someone trying to make themselves right and others wrong. It is a form of domination.

Anyone?

Suicide is killing oneself for whatever reason.

It is not one single reason because every individual is different. Looking for a single reason is going to drive you into an unhealthy figure-figure.

Just look at yourself. If you were to consider suicide, what is the first reason that pops up in your mind that makes it alright to commit suicide.

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