Church of scientology, future OT levels teach telepathy and remote viewing?

[Lemuria]

OT 8: Addresses the failure of the thetan to maintain his pan determined Viewpoint and remain unaffected by unpleasant experiences. (Pan: All. Pan determinism: Ability to control or be both sides of a game.)
OT 9: Deals with the Universe of Others. Telepathy.
OT 10: Adresses the subject of Postulates.
OT 11: Deals with Remote Viewing.
OT 12: Understanding about the Physical Universe, matter, energy, space, and time.
OT 13: Knowledge.
OT 14: Ability.
OT 15: Freedom.


I found these on a Freezone site.

[uncle sam]

As a young child I was taught that Jesus turned water into wine- gee that's pretty cool. As an adult, I realized that turning water into wine was Way Cool- and that's why I got into scientology- I want to make wine from water. Needless to say-I cannot do that. Hence Scientology really disappointed me. If you want to do something way COOL- go to school and forget scientology the only thing they can do is to turn your money into nothing and that's so uncool.

[rickglass]

As a young child I was taught that Jesus turned water into wine- gee that's pretty cool. As an adult, I realized that turning water into wine was Way Cool- and that's why I got into scientology- I want to make wine from water. Needless to say-I cannot do that. Hence Scientology really disappointed me. If you want to do something way COOL- go to school and forget scientology the only thing they can do is to turn your money into nothing and that's so uncool.

Lol, King Missile

[DartSmohen]

As a young child I was taught that Jesus turned water into wine- gee that's pretty cool. As an adult, I realized that turning water into wine was Way Cool- and that's why I got into scientology- I want to make wine from water. Needless to say-I cannot do that. Hence Scientology really disappointed me. If you want to do something way COOL- go to school and forget scientology the only thing they can do is to turn your money into nothing and that's so uncool.

Personally, I always found it easier to turn wine into water.

Dart

[Terril park]

Personally, I always found it easier to turn wine into water.

Dart

Strangely it works even better for beer!

Hallelulya!

[Svetka]

Scientology does not MAKE or CREATE the OT. It helps OT to recover his lost or forgotten abilities.

You have to be an OT to begin with in order to "become" one.

Nourishing the rose helps it to grow and bloom into it's best, and nourishing the cucumber will help it to become a cucumber at it's best.

But no matter how much (and for how much money paid) you nourish a cucumber, it will never become a rose.

Scientology is not a universal solution. It is not a solution at all for many.

[MostlyLurker]

Scientology does not MAKE or CREATE the OT. It helps OT to recover his lost or forgotten abilities.

You have to be an OT to begin with in order to "become" one.

Nourishing the rose helps it to grow and bloom into it's best, and nourishing the cucumber will help it to become a cucumber at it's best.

But no matter how much (and for how much money paid) you nourish a cucumber, it will never become a rose.

Scientology is not a universal solution. It is not a solution at all for many.

Methinks this is utter bullshit.

Scientology is just the Theta Trap of a charlatan.

OTs don't exist, OT is just a label designed to con people. Clears don't exist, Clear is just another label designed to con people.

"Show me a motherfucking clear!" said Jason B. Can you point to a Clear that is immune to psychosomatic illnesses and is complete rational? That comes up with 100% correct decisions and doesn't show HE&R? Exactly as depicted in DMSMH?

You can't, and that's because DMSMH is a lie. Scientology is based on lies. You are forwarding lies.

What do exist is human potential, and that human potential is nurtured much more in other practices than with the Scn Tech.

[Thalkirst]

Well, I seriously doubt that these can be achieved within Scientology.

1. LRH has supposedly achieved these states - but just look at the current state of the Church, which does not reflect this at all.

2. Look at the definition of Clear - perfect recall, etc. I don't think anyone has achieved this state in Scientology..

3. I know a lot of OTs, but they don't seem to be above the normal human condition.

[ChuckNorrisCutsMyLawn]

Well, I seriously doubt that these can be achieved within Scientology.

1. LRH has supposedly achieved these states - but just look at the current state of the Church, which does not reflect this at all.

2. Look at the definition of Clear - perfect recall, etc. I don't think anyone has achieved this state in Scientology..

3. I know a lot of OTs, but they don't seem to be above the normal human condition.

LRH was about as far from what he defined OT to be as you can get, he was an emotional train wreck and about as reactionary as one can get without being curled up into a fetal position and crying in a corner of a room.

[Lemuria]

My understanding of Scientology's OT levels is that if you were an OT you would not care to turn water into wine. But obviously Jesus was able to do it, so it is possible.


I have heard at least two interesting stories from 2 different OT people. One was from a Senior Word-Clearer. Well, I actually heard this one from a third party. She told me that he told her about when he was a young man. A spirit was following him around and asking him to be his father. He kept turning down this spirit because he could not afford to have a child with his wife at the time. But then he made a deal one day with this spirit. He told it that if he could help him find a better living then he would be able to care for him. Well, he did come to make more money and so he had a child, he had a son, and of course the spirit was no longer lingering around asking him to take him in. I forgot what this man's name was, he was a Senior at ASHOF, he was a very smart man, a built in dictionary.



The other man was a public. I think he was an OT 7 or 8. I heard him talking at Sunday Service one day. He was talking about his wins and he mentioned being telepathic and reading other people's minds from a distance. This of course made me weary of him. One day I was in an elevator and him and a group of other people walked into it, and I saw his face and worried he would be able to read my thoughts. I kept trying to block all things from my head.