Church of scientology, future OT levels teach telepathy and remote viewing?

[Svetka]

What do exist is human potential, and that human potential is nurtured much more in other practices than with the Scn Tech.
Exactly!
And what do exist in OT's potential is uncovered successfully with scientology tech.

[MostlyLurker]

That is exactly what I am talking about. How will you explain the colors to a blind? Scientology is not for everybody. If you do not understand OT or Clear - it is not for you.

But what is lie for you, may as well be a truth for somebody else; what is con for you and others, can be and is workable technology for those, to whom it all is real.

People are different, they have different realities and different path to go.

Confusion was created by the lie introduced that the purpose of Scientology was to clear the planet, which people understood meant all become clears and OTs. Which is not.

It is not a matter of understanding what a Clear or OT is.
LRH created those words and LRH defined them, and as defined by LRH they do not exist. Period.

You may have your own idea of what a Clear is, you may be Clear yourself and feel good - but your state does not correspond to what LRH defined and sold.

Clears and OTs as defined by LRH do not exist.

Also, my conclusion is that the lack of result in Scientology mean that there are more lies than truths in the subject. Really.

If your goal is to exteriorize you may have more success with the Monroe Institute that with the OT levels. What scientology has gave me is a big harm to my dynamics caused by the cultish mindset and outright lies said by Co$ and by LRH, and a false knowledge and sensation of "knowing all the answers" that do not bring anywhere but in a state of self delusion.

Per my experience Scientologists are very weak and inefficient and unfree people. Free people outgrow the limits and lies of Scientology.

[Svetka]

They do not exist FOR YOU. FROM YOUR view point.

[Infinite]

. . . And what do exist in OT's potential is uncovered successfully with scientology tech.

DOX PLOX. Just one OT will do, thanks.

[Panda Termint]

It's the same old circular argument with little possibility of agreement. Agree to disagree is the only way forward. Per my experience and observation: Some people seem to benefit from pursuing the scientological paradigm, some don't. Deal with it.

[Gadfly]

They do not exist FOR YOU. FROM YOUR view point.

Somebody can have the viewpoint that the Eatser Bunny exists - for him or her. From his or her viewpoint the Easter Bunny exists.

Except that IN TRUTH, it does NOT exist!

The same is true for a great many ideas of Scientology (Clear, OT, OT III scenario, theory of SPs, advanced abilities, validity of Scientology, etc.).

Just because you agree (believe) something to be be true and exist, does NOT make it so.

A few centuries back MANY people held the view that the Earth was flat - except that it wasn't.

The realm of 1) thought (ideas, concepts, beliefs, opinions, agreements) and 2) OBSERVABLE REALITY ore very often at odds - true believers, such as Scientologists, coax the two into close alignment by strange feats of cognitive disssonance, by denial, by "faith", and by other mental mechanisms where thinkingness vastly supercedes lookingness (observation).

For all Hubbard's talk of "lookingness" being higher than "thinkingness", he managed to create a subject and practice where the exact OPPOSITE is true.

Some people have the firm view that the world is going to end in the later part of December 2012 (Mayan Calendar stuff). From their viewpoint, it EXISTS. To them it is a "fact". They base important decisions in their life on this "viewpoint". Except that if the world doesn't end it will just be another of a near endless stream of dichotomies between "thought versus reality" of the true believer type morons. Sadly, this planet has no shortage of such fools (many Scientologists included).

Just because something is "true for you", does NOT thus "make it true". Hubbard was entirely full of shit on that one. Many people walk around with VERY weird subjective views that have little or nothing to do with honest observations.

[Svetka]

Well... Your avatar looks quite appropriate to the way you sound.

I wish you to find the right path that will help your spiritual advance if interested at all.

[Bill]

Well... Your avatar looks quite appropriate to the way you sound.

I wish you to find the right path that will help your spiritual advance if interested at all.

Typical Scientology crap:

• Oh, so superior attitude? Check.
• "Whatever I believe is The Truth"? Check.
• "Anyone who disagrees with me is 'lost' and not 'spiritually advancing'"? Check.
• "Anyone who doubts my beliefs deserves insulting". Check.

The worst thing Hubbard did was convincing people that a "strong enough belief" was the same as "truth". That is the path straight to insanity -- belief without proof and without results. And the more the results are missing, the harder one must grit one's teeth and believe. Ugh! Been there, done that.

Bill

[Svetka]

Please, how do you see the possibility of different spiritual path existing for different people as an "insult"?

Where do you see me saying that those going different path are "lost"?

[Bill]

Please, how do you see the possibility of different spiritual path existing for different people as an "insult"?

Oh my! What makes you think that's what I was talking about?

Where do you see me saying that those going different path are "lost"?

Hmmm...

I wish you to find the right path that will help your spiritual advance if interested at all.

You assume, because someone doesn't see things your way that they are not on "the right path", that they haven't "found the right path" and, apparently, you doubt they are even interested in such things at all.

And you don't find anything wrong or insulting about this attitude?

Here's an idea, try to get the idea that people who don't agree with you are still good people who just might have the right path to what they are looking for and leave off your smug evaluation of their supposed lack of "spiritual advancement". How about that?

Bill