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    It seems the history of the Ranch ends before I even arrived there. There is an entire untold chapter, a whole year no one seems to of documented. I lived in a double-wide with sixteen other boys. I can only recall a few names and aliases at the moment:

    "Bean"
    "Peanut"
    "Alphie"
    Kyle
    Charles
    Aron
    Jason
    Nate?
    Phil
    Will

    Brooke
    Maggie?

    There were many others, I saw a total of about thirty people move through the Ranch. Trouble is, I'm having trouble remembering it all. Ever since I left that place, I haven't felt like I left. I need closure. Anybody out there?

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    Quote Originally Posted by mkranch-francis View Post
    It seems the history of the Ranch ends before I even arrived there. There is an entire untold chapter, a whole year no one seems to of documented. I lived in a double-wide with sixteen other boys. I can only recall a few names and aliases at the moment:

    "Bean"
    "Peanut"
    "Alphie"
    Kyle
    Charles
    Aron
    Jason
    Nate?
    Phil
    Will

    Brooke
    Maggie?

    There were many others, I saw a total of about thirty people move through the Ranch. Trouble is, I'm having trouble remembering it all. Ever since I left that place, I haven't felt like I left. I need closure. Anybody out there?
    I think its best you check in reguraly here. Are you on Ex -Scientology Kids alsoo ?

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    I just registered on the ex-kids site, should get activation soon.

    People need to know that the Ranch was a master of diversion and name-changing. They began their project outside of New Mexico ( I'm pretty sure I remember Molly saying California, but need confirmation on this ), then moved into Reserve, then changed their name to "MK Ranch" to deal with the scandals associated with the, more verbose, "Mace-Kingsley Ranch School". Then things really got interesting in the way of subterfuge, but I think I should start a new thread to share what happened.

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    Please do tell us your story. We'd like to know what happened. All the truth needs to be made public and exposed to the light of day. I look forward to hearing what you have to say.
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    I was at the MK Ranch from 1993-1997. I started back with Wally Hanks and Stephen and Garnet Ambrose.. during that era. EVERYONE connected with the MK Ranch..staff, the bosuns i/c's..everyone was mean to the kids there. The C/S at the time in 1997 was Jesus Gimenez..and he loved to molest and video tape the girls at the upper ranch,where he shared a trailor with his pregnant wife Jan (i believe was her name). Stephen was physically abusive to the kids, putting them on fence and rock duty in the dead of summer for weeks on end with no water or shade. The living conditions were criminal..every single person who was tied to that place should have gone to jail for a very very long time. The problem was getting kids to talk about it. Heres the equation on it.. as a kid, your parents are obviously Scientologists.. so like me..16.. no education, no where to go..gets told, if you tell the police ANYTHING.. you will get declared a suppressive and never be allowed to speak to another Scientologist for the rest of your life.do you really want to lose your friends and family? Knowledge reports are written and it will all get handled internally. So as a kid your terrifed to say anything and keep your mouth shut. Our famillies shelled out 1500$ or so per month for us to be beaten,abused, starved and molested. Thanks guys. Want names?

    Sherry Faust
    Alex Faust
    Derek Faust
    Brandon Faust
    Jesus and Jan Gimenez
    Jenny Supak
    Jon Hoffman
    Matt Glockson
    Megan Demosthenes
    Jerry Reed
    Wally Hanks
    Tao Haber
    Jazz Springer
    Nicole Oxman
    Wally Hanks
    Andy Nelson
    Adam Springer
    Matt Butterworth
    Matt Eckhart
    Atlanta Irons
    Carol Kingsley
    James Dries- (suicide)
    John Dries
    Brian Lebarton
    Matt Shepherd
    Ryan Murphy

    Need I continue? Some of these were kids, some were faculty. But I think ALL the kids who went there deserve some closure about this place. I actually watched on kid with a glass eye named Nathan, got in trouble for being too SLOW to put his eye in. It was taken from him.. he was led behind Stephen Ambroses trailor, and beaten by 3-4 older boys with paddles at least twice his age. He was told to dig a dirt hole in the sun for 2 days and when he asked for a drink they peed in a cup and gave it to him. After 2 days of abuse, I saw him without his shirt on and you could see the bruises up his back and down the back of his legs. There was another handicapped kid there, and when he would get out of line they would take his prosthetic leg from him and make him sit on a fence line with a wire brush and scrub the rust off of hundreds of miles of pipe fencing. The people running this place were sadistic and evil and from what I can tell got away with murder.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MrsNoName View Post
    I was at the MK Ranch from 1993-1997. I started back with Wally Hanks and Stephen and Garnet Ambrose.. during that era. EVERYONE connected with the MK Ranch..staff, the bosuns i/c's..everyone was mean to the kids there. The C/S at the time in 1997 was Jesus Gimenez..and he loved to molest and video tape the girls at the upper ranch,where he shared a trailor with his pregnant wife Jan (i believe was her name). Stephen was physically abusive to the kids, putting them on fence and rock duty in the dead of summer for weeks on end with no water or shade. The living conditions were criminal..every single person who was tied to that place should have gone to jail for a very very long time. The problem was getting kids to talk about it. Heres the equation on it.. as a kid, your parents are obviously Scientologists.. so like me..16.. no education, no where to go..gets told, if you tell the police ANYTHING.. you will get declared a suppressive and never be allowed to speak to another Scientologist for the rest of your life.do you really want to lose your friends and family? Knowledge reports are written and it will all get handled internally. So as a kid your terrifed to say anything and keep your mouth shut. Our famillies shelled out 1500$ or so per month for us to be beaten,abused, starved and molested. Thanks guys. Want names?

    Sherry Faust
    Alex Faust
    Derek Faust
    Brandon Faust
    Jesus and Jan Gimenez
    Jenny Supak
    Jon Hoffman
    Matt Glockson
    Megan Demosthenes
    Jerry Reed
    Wally Hanks
    Tao Haber
    Jazz Springer
    Nicole Oxman
    Wally Hanks
    Andy Nelson
    Adam Springer
    Matt Butterworth
    Matt Eckhart
    Atlanta Irons
    Carol Kingsley
    James Dries- (suicide)
    John Dries
    Brian Lebarton
    Matt Shepherd
    Ryan Murphy

    Need I continue? Some of these were kids, some were faculty. But I think ALL the kids who went there deserve some closure about this place. I actually watched on kid with a glass eye named Nathan, got in trouble for being too SLOW to put his eye in. It was taken from him.. he was led behind Stephen Ambroses trailor, and beaten by 3-4 older boys with paddles at least twice his age. He was told to dig a dirt hole in the sun for 2 days and when he asked for a drink they peed in a cup and gave it to him. After 2 days of abuse, I saw him without his shirt on and you could see the bruises up his back and down the back of his legs. There was another handicapped kid there, and when he would get out of line they would take his prosthetic leg from him and make him sit on a fence line with a wire brush and scrub the rust off of hundreds of miles of pipe fencing. The people running this place were sadistic and evil and from what I can tell got away with murder.

    Debbie was my C/S in the Field for a short time.
    Debbie and Carol are lesbians.
    I had a PC who was/is a lesbian, and when Debbie found out, she ordered the PC to abstain from homosexual activity while 'on lines'. The PC and I had a good laugh over that because we saw Debbie and Carol sleeping in the same bed.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Challenge View Post
    Debbie was my C/S in the Field for a short time.
    Debbie and Carol are lesbians.
    I had a PC who was/is a lesbian, and when Debbie found out, she ordered the PC to abstain from homosexual activity while 'on lines'. The PC and I had a good laugh over that because we saw Debbie and Carol sleeping in the same bed.


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    Oh wow, well that explains A LOT lol. Jesus Gimenez was our C/S and EO at the time. He had a fondness for "the touch of a younger kind". I heard he got busted about it later, after he had most of the girls who were trying to out him kicked out of there. The girls were constantly harassed by him and no one did anything about it. This of course was under Sherry and Carol's direction. Im rather shocked that the kids who were victims of that place haven't banded together for a full on class-action against all of them.

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    http://forums.whyweprotest.net/threa.../#post-1796821

    Mace-Kingsley $cilon "School" in Clearwater

    http://i323.photobucket.com/albums/n...0/grandop2.jpg

    This is a photo of a "family center" in Clearwater that is run by $cilons. They have run some other schools that had a VERY bad reputation:


    The Mace Kingsley Ranch by Astra Woodcraft

    I was 13 years old. I think I was 13. Everyone had beer and got drunk. I think the first night or the second night I was up there, I was sitting next to him and I had had a few beers and so had he. And so had everyone else. And he put his hand down my shirt and down my bra and started feeling me. And I…it really scared me and I asked my friend later, I said, "What's Wally [Hanks] doing? Why did he do this?" And she said, "Oh. Don't worry. He just does that with the girls. That's just what he does but don't worry about it."


    Ex-scientologists Jane Scott writes to John Ashcroft

    What we did not know about when we took our son to Mace-Kingsley was that Wally Hanks was a pedophile who was engaged in illegal relations with at least one, or perhaps several, of the girls in his charge. One weekend when his younger brother and I went up see Jesse the Ranch it was in obvious turmoil and there appeared to be several new adults around. Jesse swore us to secrecy and then explained that one of the girls and her boyfriend had run away because she "freaked-out" about Wally's sexually molesting her and her not wanting it to go on anymore.


    Former Mace-Kingsley staffer Wally Hanks after his Mace-Kingsley time, started his own school for troubled Scientologist kids, the Hanks Ranch. In April 2004 a former student told of the time there in Little Ranch of Horrors II

    Wally beat the shit out of me once for running his horse too hard. We had another whacked out vietnam vet who was clearly psychotic stay there for a few months, living in a tent out in the back of the property. On a camping/hunting trip to the Indian mines he completely lost his mind, took all his clothes off, grabbed a couple guns and took off into the desert. We found him a couple days later.
    Kids torturing animals. Older kids making younger kids perform homosexual acts, on them. I'm sure there is tons more, but I'd have to sit and think about it.



    Wally Hanks / Wallace Hanks' scientology page vanished but here is still a partial copy. Hanks is currently Founding Commodore of a sailing club for youth. The Roundhouse Yacht Club.



    Apparently the MK-Ranch was closed. I don't know why but the following explanation was given by the state website:

    State of New Mexico - Department of Education

    June 10, 2002

    Nonpublic Schools Commission to Meet on June 14

    (Santa Fe, NM-The Nonpublic Schools Commission will meet on Friday, June 14, 2002, at 9:00 a.m. at the College of Santa Fe in Albuquerque, 2201 San Pedro, NE, Building 2. The commission will hear accreditation summaries from New Mexico State Board of Education (SBE)-approved agencies that accredit nonpublic schools.

    In addition to accreditation summaries, the commission will discuss the Ranch School, which was formerly the Mace-Kingsley Ranch School.

    For more information, please contact the SDE's Alternative Education Unit at (505) 827-6909.





    The Mace-Kingsley Ranch was renamed Hacienda Del Espirito, Inc. aka New Mexico Ranch. and is currently, April 2004, for sale. Note that in Clearwater, Florida, a Mace-Kingsley Family Center exists with Jeff Avrin as ED, Ed Cramb as auditor and Carol Kingsley as President.

    This is from xenutv.com:


    Stacy: This guy is running the school?

    Astra: Yeah. He ran it. From what I know, he owned it and he definitely ran it with his wife. Another night, he took us camping and we went out and we had more beer. And we were camping and once we had all had a few drinks, he gave us guns to go practice shooting. So, I sat in the dark with a flashlight and a gun and practiced shooting at cans and things after I had had a few beers to drink.

    Stacy: What kind of guns?

    Astra: Just, like, handguns. Oh…and rifles. We did rifles earlier in the day before we drank and then we did handguns in the evening. That one time that he put his hand down my shirt was the only time he did that to me. But later on, when I was in the Sea Organization, when I was the Director of Inspections and Reports, I came across some reports on him. He had been found out that he had been doing these things but he had done a lot worse than what he had done to me. He had really badly molested several girls.

    Stacy: How do you mean?

    Astra: Like, felt down their pants and had them pee on his car or on someone's car and just…

    Stacy: What do you mean, pee on the car?

    Astra: He got off by seeing them pee on the cars. Told them to pee on cars. And they would do it for him because they had to or…

    Zoe: They might be drunk.

    Astra: He got them drunk. Had them pee on cars.

    Stacy: God!

    Astra: Felt them and I don't know if he actually had intercourse. I don't remember if he actually had intercourse with anyone. But, you know, up to that point, really bad molesting.

    Stacy: What happened? What happened to him?

    Astra: Well, because he was an OTVII, they had said they weren't going to declare him officially because it would be bad public relations for people to hear that an OTVII molested children and got declared. So, they quietly ousted him from the Church. They quietly said, he's declared.

    Stacy: But did they report him to the authorities?

    Astra: No. They never reported him…at least not to my knowledge. The report said nothing about it. They said…it was a handling. It's, like, "he's been doing this and what we're going to do is we're going to oust him but we're not going to officially declare him. We're not going to tell people about it because it's bad public relations" because he was an OTVII.

    Stacy: What about the parents of the girls who were molested? Did they do anything about this?

    Astra: I don't know. I don't know about that. I don't know what happened. One of the girls was in the Sea Org with me and left. And another one of the girls is still a Scientologist. They're all still Scientologists.

    Stacy: Gosh!

    Astra: And the parents probably were told, "Well, we're ousting him from the Church." And that's considered a handling.

    Stacy: Incredible.
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    Ther are more stories about this school that was formally in NM and now in Clearwater.

    I'm wondering if a protest there would work or just be an upset to the kids who attend?
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    Quote Originally Posted by MrsNoName View Post
    Oh wow, well that explains A LOT lol. Jesus Gimenez was our C/S and EO at the time. He had a fondness for "the touch of a younger kind". I heard he got busted about it later, after he had most of the girls who were trying to out him kicked out of there. The girls were constantly harassed by him and no one did anything about it. This of course was under Sherry and Carol's direction. Im rather shocked that the kids who were victims of that place haven't banded together for a full on class-action against all of them.

    I know I know! For starters tell the kid they pulled it in then convince the little thetans that the future of the planet is at stake and if not the whole planet, at the very least thier eternity and thier families eternity. See? Don't tell anyone what happened.

    Am I giving away too much? A sexual predator could go unchecked for years in this dangerous cult. The statute of limitations unfortunately runs out before the cult think wears off.
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    Yeah I was there with Wally too. But you have to remember that the Ranch spanned like 20 years? It was in Palmdale,CA for a while and Wally was there, that was back when Debbie Mace was more active with it. Then he went and took a bunch of kids on a "wilderness expedition" up to this property in Tahoe,CA. the property up there was WAY up in the woods, no electricity, just a generator, no clean water, you had to boil water to drink. We looked forward to every Friday night when Wally would take us out ( I was 14-15 years old lol ) and we'd have a bon fire, beer, shoot the guns, ride the horses, drive down the mountain etc. Whatever we wanted. If you were a girl, you got to go sleep in Wally's room in bed with him and if you were one of Wally's "favorites" then you basically got to do whatever you wanted there. We left Tahoe and went to Agua Dulce after Wally was busted to Stephen Ambrose's place. He lived there with his wife Garnet. They were just as insane just more abusive. 10 of us girls slept in the tack room of their barn while the boys slept 10-20 in a garage. At NO point in any of this was there any education going on. Not unless it was Scientology courses. Stephen spent most the time in his 5th wheel trailer and would only come out to talk to us on occasion. Then we were all transported in multiple vans, cars, trucks and SUVS across country.. spanning ..weeks.. on the road with all us kids to New Mexico. Stephen and Garnet in tow also. Later Sherry Faust had Stephen removed from the Ranch and I want to say he was being processed as an SP. There was a blond girl there that he spent most his day physically abusing and we all saw it. Sherry chose to ignore it for a long time. I myself went to take her water one day when Stephen had her outside in the middle of summer..roughly 105 degrees hauling rocks up the mountain side. She was 15 years old. When I got up there her hands were bleeding from the cactus and rocks. Stephen yelled at me for talking to her and said she was "in lower conditions". She was a target of constant abuse by Stephen and we all suspected he was touching her,tho when confronted she attempted to deny it. After Stephen left as the EO he was replaced by a guy named Jesus. He daily physically molested the girls and video taped them dancing around their house. Several times he would zoom in on our breasts or butts and slow motion to watch them as he replayed it. It was all very embarassing. The blond also became a target for Jesus and he picked up where Stephen left off. Her name was Nikki, I lived in a room with her. Nightly she would tell me about the things that Jesus said and did to her and I encouraged her to talk to Sherry Faust the ranch director. I never really saw her again after that. The rumor was that Jesus found out she was trying to get him in trouble and had an non-enturbulation order placed on her and removed from the ranch. We never heard from her again after that. There were several kids that were constant targets of abuse, including the handicapped kids I mentioned earlier. We were not allowed to cal home unless someone was listening into the phone call to see what we said, all letters were read before sent. Several times we had Sea Org staff from LA and Clearwater there recruiting us straight from the school. Not one kid in that program was given any education and the best any of us had to look forward to was trying to get our GED after we left. Or we could have done what James Dries did and shot himself. I went to the ranch with him and he was a good kid. Talented musician and he deserved better.

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