Attitudes to Death and Dying

[paradox]

You are giving your definitions, aren't you?

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Mojo said it purdy good. As he pointed out, a definition is not the ineffable reality, but only a mental conception, a map but not the territory. With that said, then, blah blah blah

These words and concepts are not it.

Rather pointless, but yes. The presumption being we're at (more or less) conscious play here.

[Tanstaafl]

NO! At that level, even awareness is an additive.

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I'm struggling to understand, Vinay.

What about awareness of bliss or serenity?

[Mojo]

Mojo said it purdy good. As he pointed out, a definition is not the ineffable reality, but only a mental conception, a map but not the territory. With that said, then, awareness is absolute abiding presence of emptiness, nothingness pregnant with the potentiality of all becomingness of form. Awareness is timeless, that which is, always has been, always will be present. Time is the consciousness of relative motions, a mental compulsion to track the endurance, the change, of the existence of things relative one to another. Time is conditional. Timeless awareness is non-conditional, requiring nothing including time and consciousness. It just IS. And is entirely, wholly, sufficient unto itself as that timeless abiding still presence from which all else, all that is susceptible to change and measurement, emerges and returns.

These words and concepts are not it.

Quite Beautiful P.

Adding to that I would say the primary difference between Spiritually Awakened Beings of the past and Spiritually Awakened Beings of the moment is the later have a broader and greater foundation to stand upon, than did the former. So to speak.

Over the course of the last few thousand years that product called the mind of man (being actually of the spirit of man in the form of mind) has evolved almost exponentially.

And as V has said, or implied, when we can touch the words that describe the Truth we are already simply not there. So to speak. At least that's the way I behold it.

Nice post P.

Mojo

(or M. for short, lol)

[paradox]

Quite Beautiful P.

Adding to that I would say the primary difference between Spiritually Awakened Beings of the past and Spiritually Awakened Beings of the moment is the later have a broader and greater foundation to stand upon, than did the former. So to speak.

Over the course of the last few thousand years that product called the mind of man (being actually of the spirit of man in the form of mind) has evolved almost exponentially.

And as V has said, or implied, when we can touch the words that describe the Truth we are already simply not there. So to speak. At least that's the way I behold it.

Nice post P.

Mojo

(or M. for short, lol)

to you Mojo and everyone else on this thread.

[Vinaire]

I'm struggling to understand, Vinay.

What about awareness of bliss or serenity?

Anything added to NOTHINGNESS is additive to NOTHINGNESS.

NOTHINGNESS is simply NOTHINGNESS.

Apply the Vedic process "Neti, neti," and see where its gets you.

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[Tanstaafl]

Anything added to NOTHINGNESS is additive to NOTHINGNESS.

NOTHINGNESS is simply NOTHINGNESS.

Apply the Vedic process "Neti, neti," and see where its gets you.

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I don't know if we've fallen into a semantic swamp or what(?)

It just seems to me that the purest form of existence would be aware of bliss or serenity, and possibly it's potential to be aware of othere things. After all, if we started from this place then how did we get to where we are now?

Otherwise lad, there'd just be nowt, and nowt'll come of nowt!

[Knox Harrington]

Hey KH.

Ooh, you better not get me started on music!

Too late!

All my Allan Holdsworth ( ) CDs - I'm not going anywhere without them unless I can make some kind of spiritual copies I can take with me.

All my cherished Mike Keneally CDs.

At least 50 of my 70-odd Zappa CDs.

Bruford's three awesome jazz rock albums from the late 70s.

My fave fusion CDs by Tribal Tech, Nguyen Le and Wayne Krantz.
My fave 70s prog CDs by Genesis, Yes, ELP, Rush, King Crimson.
My fave classical - Stravinsky, Wagner, Copeland.
Joni Mitchell and Kate Bush (for when I need to get in touch with my feminine side ).
David Sylvian's first three albums.
All the Kings X CDs in case I need some decent rock.

That'll do for starters.

Oh, I'll get you started tough guy, don't you wurry nun bout dat. I'm a simple man and like my songs melodic and under 4 minutes please, but in the last week been diggin on some "Expensive Shit" by Fela Kuti, might be more up your alley. I like Zappa's "Hot Rats" quite a bit. "Who needs the Peace Corps" is hilarious, "Uncle Remus" is bizarrely affecting, "Sexual Harassment in the Workplace" is the best title for an instrumental piece since "A New Career in a New Town", and I think we can all agree that "Cosmik Debris" is a fitting song to mention on this website.

As for Wagner, he scares the shi* out of the sl*pes, know wahm sayin?


P.S. If you guys wanna see some unusually entertaining C-Span coverage, look on Youtube for the clips of Frank Zappa testifying before Congress
regarding the Parental Advisory stickers. To Al Gore no less. Hilarity!

[Neo]

Anything added to NOTHINGNESS is additive to NOTHINGNESS.

NOTHINGNESS is simply NOTHINGNESS.

Apply the Vedic process "Neti, neti," and see where its gets you.

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Why must we assume that any or all SOMETHINGNESSES are being added to NOTHINGNESS?

What if awareness wasn't added to NOTHINGNESS? What if it just is?

What if NOTHINGNESS is a 'subtraction' from awareness?

Just thoughts, LOL.

Neo

[Vinaire]

I don't know if we've fallen into a semantic swamp or what(?)

It just seems to me that the purest form of existence would be aware of bliss or serenity, and possibly it's potential to be aware of othere things. After all, if we started from this place then how did we get to where we are now?

Otherwise lad, there'd just be nowt, and nowt'll come of nowt!

Interesting conundrum , isn't it!

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[Vinaire]

Why must we assume that any or all SOMETHINGNESSES are being added to NOTHINGNESS?

What if awareness wasn't added to NOTHINGNESS? What if it just is?

What if NOTHINGNESS is a 'subtraction' from awareness?

Just thoughts, LOL.

Neo

Anything is possible. I like the "neti, neti" process. It is very liberating.

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