Broken promises

[Voltaire's Child]

CofS breaks its promises routinely. Yes, the tech itself does, but the worst thing in my mind is the behavior of the cult. They don't care about even TRYING to "make Clears" or make OTs or even produce "releases".

John and I were talking about this the other day, about how so many people feel about CofS and why they are angry at CofS, LRH, and Scn itself.
It's because Scn holds out this wonderful promise of what people can be. It makes the claims, it tells people exactly how this can be done. Then, not only are the grades, releases, clears and OTs produced not functioning to those standards, but the church repeatedly has excuses as to not to even try to deliver anything. RPFing people, constant amends projects, constant threats from the IAS and other staff- those things don't produce case change, even if one fully believes and refers the theories about case change.

This was our conversation Friday night:

Me: "It's like they have this great promise they hold out and they break it."

J: "Yeah"

Me: "It would be like being an orphan in a third world orphanage and meeting prospective parents. They told you they'd take you out of that hellhole. They'd even show you the adoption documents. They'd say that by a certain time you'd be with them. But then they'd say later"Sorry we changed our minds."

J: "And, and before that, they'd said, please send us your toys so we can get your room ready."

Me: "yeah, but you wouldn't get your toys back."

J: "They'd say "Here's a picture of the room you were going to have. See, we have other kids of our own. We are going to use your room as a playroom. And we like these toys, the kids like the toys, so we're going to keep them."

Me: "Yeah, and then you'd end up with even less than before."

J and me in unison: "Fuckers!"

[byte301]

CofS breaks its promises routinely. Yes, the tech itself does, but the worst thing in my mind is the behavior of the cult. They don't care about even TRYING to "make Clears" or make OTs or even produce "releases".

John and I were talking about this the other day, about how so many people feel about CofS and why they are angry at CofS, LRH, and Scn itself.
It's because Scn holds out this wonderful promise of what people can be. It makes the claims, it tells people exactly how this can be done. Then, not only are the grades, releases, clears and OTs produced not functioning to those standards, but the church repeatedly has excuses as to not to even try to deliver anything. RPFing people, constant amends projects, constant threats from the IAS and other staff- those things don't produce case change, even if one fully believes and refers the theories about case change.

This was our conversation Friday night:

Me: "It's like they have this great promise they hold out and they break it."

J: "Yeah"

Me: "It would be like being an orphan in a third world orphanage and meeting prospective parents. They told you they'd take you out of that hellhole. They'd even show you the adoption documents. They'd say that by a certain time you'd be with them. But then they'd say later"Sorry we changed our minds."

J: "And, and before that, they'd said, please send us your toys so we can get your room ready."

Me: "yeah, but you wouldn't get your toys back."

J: "They'd say "Here's a picture of the room you were going to have. See, we have other kids of our own. We are going to use your room as a playroom. And we like these toys, the kids like the toys, so we're going to keep them."

Me: "Yeah, and then you'd end up with even less than before."

J and me in unison: "Fuckers!"

[Kathy (ImOut)]

Great post, Fluffy.

And when they don't deliver what they promise, they blame it on your case or they say the next action will fix it. Or you get repaired so many times you could have paid for the OT Levels for what you spent on repairs. Or in my situation, you walk out worse than when you got in. And if you read my story, in my opinion, that's pretty fucked up.

[Iknowtoomuch]

And the kid has to pay you with toys the rest of his childhood. :D

[Div6]

They CAN'T deliver what they promise. They no longer HAVE the "correct technology".


Which is why they are failing in such EPIC proportions.

We probably get more Tone Arm Action out of the two way comms (and Pauls Robot Auditor) on this board than they get in the Flag HGC currently...

[Voltaire's Child]

I'm not sure how much wholehearted altruism there ever was. Having read Dianetics in Limbo which is about events in the very early 50s, I'm kind of jaded. And Dianetics in Limbo wasn't written by some embittered advocate of censorship- Helen O'Brien, the author, really still placed value on Dianetics years after she left.

If the present CofS no longer has the correct technology, it's because they didn't want it, they bowdlerized it, and they messed it up, and they were taught to do that by LRH. This may be a bit shocking for an indie Scn'ist to say, but hey, that's how I feel. Even though I think LRH had some fantastic concepts, I also firmly believe the cupidity and problems and slavery and all that originated with him and that was his example DM is now following. I hope this does not upset any indie, independent or Freezone Scn'ists. And I hope that the more dyed in the wool vehement critics can understand why I would say this.

[CarmeloOrchards]

I'm not sure how much wholehearted altruism there ever was. Having read Dianetics in Limbo which is about events in the very early 50s, I'm kind of jaded. And Dianetics in Limbo wasn't written by some embittered advocate of censorship- Helen O'Brien, the author, really still placed value on Dianetics years after she left.

If the present CofS no longer has the correct technology, it's because they didn't want it, they bowdlerized it, and they messed it up, and they were taught to do that by LRH. This may be a bit shocking for an indie Scn'ist to say, but hey, that's how I feel. Even though I think LRH had some fantastic concepts, I also firmly believe the cupidity and problems and slavery and all that originated with him and that was his example DM is now following. I hope this does not upset any indie, independent or Freezone Scn'ists. And I hope that the more dyed in the wool vehement critics can understand why I would say this.

Well gee, If you're say things like that, I'm going to have to say that i audit about 10-20 hours a week on somebody(ies), and have for decades, and furthermore, I couldn't agree with you more. I've done enough S&Ds to know that LRH was the SP! There doesn't need to be any more elaboration.

[Carmel]

Div6 - They CAN'T deliver what they promise. They no longer HAVE the "correct technology".

They sure don't!

IMO the biggest broken promise is the Creed. It should be something that would be at the base of all the doctrines within the "church", and something that should be prevalent amongst its crew, staff and public. Talk about extremes - the CofS employs the exact opposite of its own creed. So much for inalienable rights! What a joke!

[degraded being]

That was a really good analogy to make the points that you were making.
You said a lot.

I wouldn't worry about how strong it sounds. This is an exes board. People who don't see it the same way you do have plenty of posts to read that support their perspective.

[Cat's Squirrel]

CofS breaks its promises routinely. Yes, the tech itself does, but the worst thing in my mind is the behavior of the cult. They don't care about even TRYING to "make Clears" or make OTs or even produce "releases".

John and I were talking about this the other day, about how so many people feel about CofS and why they are angry at CofS, LRH, and Scn itself.
It's because Scn holds out this wonderful promise of what people can be. It makes the claims, it tells people exactly how this can be done. Then, not only are the grades, releases, clears and OTs produced not functioning to those standards, but the church repeatedly has excuses as to not to even try to deliver anything. RPFing people, constant amends projects, constant threats from the IAS and other staff- those things don't produce case change, even if one fully believes and refers the theories about case change.

This was our conversation Friday night:

Me: "It's like they have this great promise they hold out and they break it."

J: "Yeah"

Me: "It would be like being an orphan in a third world orphanage and meeting prospective parents. They told you they'd take you out of that hellhole. They'd even show you the adoption documents. They'd say that by a certain time you'd be with them. But then they'd say later"Sorry we changed our minds."

J: "And, and before that, they'd said, please send us your toys so we can get your room ready."

Me: "yeah, but you wouldn't get your toys back."

J: "They'd say "Here's a picture of the room you were going to have. See, we have other kids of our own. We are going to use your room as a playroom. And we like these toys, the kids like the toys, so we're going to keep them."

Me: "Yeah, and then you'd end up with even less than before."

J and me in unison: "Fuckers!"

Nice one.