Anyone Reach Clear?
Okay ... I dont know if that is the highest point of Scientology. But has anyone ever taken all of the courses and reached the point of clear??? If so, what was it like? Did you find out about Xenu etc ... Sorry if this post isnt clear.
Just curious:confused:
I went Clear in July of 86. Nothing about Xenu in doing so.
I was running New Era Dianetics on an engram chain during an Interiorization Rundown. (This is a rundown one gets after having gone exterior in auditing.) I used to go exterior quite often in auditing.
I did OT 1-4 in the Freezone. OT 3 is where you read the Xenu story, but quite frankly the story of OT 3, and the running of it as a pre-OT are 2 entirely different things......
Okay thanksDid you feel different after going "clear" Is going "clear" the highest you can go???
hidden_secrets,
As far as the so-called "Bridge", one gets to "Clear" by auditing (spiritual councilling) and not by taking courses that train one to become an auditor.
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No. (There are OT levels above that.)Originally Posted by hidden_secrets
Here is one Grade Chart on Operation Clambake:
http://www.xenu.net/archive/grade_chart.html
This one is not quite the same as when I was "in" ... BUT... it is similar.
However, this might give you the idea of it.
http://scncatalog.scientology.net/OA...p?a=b&item=371
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This is about how much that average processing runs.
They are about the same (depending on the courses). The higher you go, the more expensive the courses get, though.
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In Scientology, the Xenu story, and the running (of the procedure) of OT 3, are mixed together.
A person can tell himself (or others) that it was just a form of exorcism; yet, typically, those having "done OT 3" will have had a "psychological hook" buried deep in their minds.
It's one of Hubbard's nastier and dirtier tricks, and - for some - it traps them in the Commodore Hubbard/Emperor Xenu dark-bizarro reality-bubble for the rest of their lives.
The way out of the "bubble" is to fully examine Scientology, in all its aspects -the good and the bad, the truth and the lies - and to thoroughly look at what Hubbard was *really doing*.
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You are Clear if you have the cognition that you are mocking up your own reactive mind. Your reactive mind might still be there but you realise that you are feeding it, in a sense, and thereafter do it less. But this is dumb because you spent ages learning the rubbish Hubbard wrote in persuading you you had a reactive mind in the first place and learning the false importance and significance of it.Okay thanks
Some ex-scios might say that you are better off getting rid of your reactive mind completely. It is true that in some people there does seem to be a "reactive" response to topics mentioned as seen on the e-meter. What this is, nobody knows. And it seems that it is possible to undermine this mechanism entirely though Scientology processing until it is no longer there. And during this process it is common for people to see scenes with them in it like they were real and happened in the past. But the validity and benefits of this are dubious.
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One of the many issues with the State of Clear, at least for me, is that Hubbard set the bar very high for clears in his book, "Dianetics The Modern Science of Mental Health." Clears were never supposed to get sick, had perfect memory, etc. I attested to Clear in 1979 and had several checks to confirm. I don't have perfect memory and do get sick. Does that mean I am not really clear? Of course not, it means that his book was a wish list, not a description of "science" as we all understand it.
How did I feel? As I was announced in the Div II area of FCDC, I first felt elated and then very foggy and a bit confused. I thought it was my other "case" crashing in. (Case is what Hubbard called the sum of your bypassed charge, a fancy name for things that still piss you off). After clear, I expected more of myself. Reaching that point made me think of going higher on the Bridge, which is precisely what was intended. It is such a strong priority for Scientology to get people attesting to clear and moving up to the other higher organizations, they wrecked the entire mission network for not feeding people up the Bridge fast enough.
From time to time they have tinkered with the definition of clear, trying to optimize the movement of customers to the highly profitable levels of OT. "Natural" clear, "Dianetics" clear, "past life" clear; all designed to get a person moving.
By the way, I think it is risky to define what a clear is using ONLY Hubbard's words. To say a Clear is merely aware of "mocking up" his/her own reactive mind is not an absolute definition. If I tell someone that bit of supposed knowledge, would it clear away their alleged engrams? Those engrams are purported to be real events trapped in the consciousness and a few words whispered in the ear [sssp! you are mocking up your reactive mind!] should not magically clear away the engrams. Scientologists are taught that certain e-meter phenomena shows that a person is or may be clear, but again these definitions change over time.
The downfall of this "science" is that there is no absolute proof of the State of Clear. It is all circularly defined and validated within Dianetics and Scientology, with absolutely no independent confirmation. The proof (research cases) claimed in Hubbard's books does not exist. The definitions are fluid and aimed at optimizing corporate income.
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