What to do if you decide to leave Scientology

[Thought Provoking]

Sage advice given in the post above by gomorrhan.

[crm1978]

The freeloader bill for staff is so poor exchange they get you to work like a sweatshop slave for so little money often for years then have the nerve to send you a bill after you do all that work .The freeloader bill is yet another way the cult controls and exploits it's staff and public and is proof that Cof$ is all about the money.

[Demented LRH]

Let's say you are planning to leave Sea Org but want to remain in good standing with the church because of your relatives who are Scientologists. There are 3 ways of leaving the cult behind:

1. Go through the regular routing procedure which requires sec checks; this shit could go on for several months. During this time you will not be permitted to eat the Sea Org food; you will be spending money out of your pocket, as my friend did.

2. Write a KR on yourself saying that you took an LSD trip yesterday. You will be kicked out of Sea Org next day (I used this approach, it works perfectly).

You will not be disconnected from your family and Scientology friends.

None of my family members is a Scientologist, but I did not want to blow because I wanted to move my ass up the Bridge (I went through Purification Rundown after my departure from Sea Org, but I made no progress on the Bridge because I was too busy advancing my real-life career).

3. Write a KR on yourself saying that you had undergone a psychiatric treatment prior to your Scientology involvement (this approach won't work if you are a 2-nd generation Scientologist).

They might ask you why you joined Sea Org on the first place. Tell them that you were not informed that people like you are not eligible for the Sea Org service (this method of departure worked perfectly for my friend).
You will be booted out next day, but you will remain in good standing with CoS.

Once you are out, you can stop taking Scientology courses if you wish; if they try to sell you a course, tell them that you don't have money, and they will back off.

Oddly enough, after I left Sea Org no one raised the issue of free loader debt. I think that they want former Sea Org members who did not blow to spend plenty $$$ on Scientology courses, so they do not antagonize ex-memebrs with the debt thing.

[NoName]

Aren't suicide attemts effective ways of getting offloaded too? I heard someone got offloaded after she drank bleach and asked to be taken to a hospital. I'm not advocating a serious attempt or actually drinking bleach - maybe just spilling a bit of it on your shirt and claiming you drank some.

Don't try any drain cleaner. That shit will melt your skin and I don't want anyone to actually get hurt by faking a suicide attempt.

[Gadfly]

I routed out of the Sea Org three different times. It isn't easy, and then put great amopunts of pressure on you, but as long as you persist and DON'T TALK ABOUT IT TO ANYONE (thus violating HCO PL Leaving & Leaves), you will do just fine.

Then once out, get an answering machine, and never call them back. If you have money and are a potential source of income, they WILL bother you. You need to figure out how to tactfully blow them off. If you tell them the truth about what you think, and thus "verbally disagree with any aspect of Scientology", you will open the door to justice actions (and eventual SP declare).

The ONLY way that you ever get declared is if you 1) remain connected to an already declared SP, or 2) disagree verbally or in writing with anybody about any aspect of Scientology.

Hubbard makes it clear in policy that "if you don't cause us any trouble, then we won't cause you any trouble". That is pretty much followed. For example, once any critic STOPS criticizing Hubbard or Scientology, they do forget all about you (as a target of attacks and handlings).

They don't get you or even go after you for "doing nothing". They only get after you if your actions harm or have the potential to harm Scientology. Protecting Scientololgy is a very senior goal in the whole paradigm.

[Demented LRH]

I might be wrong about this, but I was told that OSA do not go after the people who post anti-Scientology data on the Internet. You must do substantial damage to the cult by participating in anti-CoS demonstrations, giving lectures about Scientology at the collages and giving interviews about the cult to get their attention.

If none of your relatives is a Scientologist, having an SP declare could be fun. I'm still waiting for my SP declare but it does not look like I will get it any time soon

[Gadfly]

I might be wrong about this, but I was told that OSA do not go after the people who post anti-Scientology data on the Internet. You must do substantial damage to the cult by participating in anti-CoS demonstrations, giving lectures about Scientology at the collages and giving interviews about the cult to get their attention.

If none of your relatives is a Scientologist, having an SP declare could be fun. I'm still waiting for my SP declare but it does not look like I will get it any time soon

Posting on a web site is not the same as creating a web site. People have been attacked, and the subject of OSA Covert Ops in an attempt to shut down critical web sites. They have succeeded in some cases (and have not in other cases).

It starts with exaggerated C&D (Cease & Desist) letters from Moxon and Kobrin, and will continue on into covert black ops campaigns if one refuses to close the site. Apparently OSA gives up on some after awhile, if they fail to get what they want in shutting down the site.

I think that these days, there are SO MANY critical sites about Hubbard & Scientology, attacking the subjects from so many different angles, that their previous aims to shut them down must have changed. Simply, no amount of money, staff, volunteers and sneaky campaigns can TODAY silence the ever-increasing criticism.

[Mick Wenlock]

I might be wrong about this, but I was told that OSA do not go after the people who post anti-Scientology data on the Internet. You must do substantial damage to the cult by participating in anti-CoS demonstrations, giving lectures about Scientology at the collages and giving interviews about the cult to get their attention.

If none of your relatives is a Scientologist, having an SP declare could be fun. I'm still waiting for my SP declare but it does not look like I will get it any time soon

It depends on what you post and who you are and what your connections are. If what you post is perceived of as a threat then they will harass you. If you have family still in they will definitely harass you.

[Man de la Mancha]

The ONLY way that you ever get declared is if you 1) remain connected to an already declared SP, or 2) disagree verbally or in writing with anybody about any aspect of Scientology.

What if a student or PC wrote a letter to the C/S about perceived technical contradictions and ambiguities in order that they might be harmlessly resolved. Would the C/S write a KR for that? Would the person be declared for suggesting that, in the millions of words LRH wrote, there might be a few imperfections?

[Gadfly]

What if a student or PC wrote a letter to the C/S about perceived technical contradictions and ambiguities in order that they might be harmlessly resolved. Would the C/S write a KR for that? Would the person be declared for suggesting that, in the millions of words LRH wrote, there might be a few imperfections?

They will send you to Qual for handling first. To sort out YOUR confusion or misunderstanding.

There were times when I was in, even in the Sea Org, when I told really critical things to my auditor, BUT, as long as I didn't spread it around, and cause any upset with others, NOBODY CARED. They sort of view it as "case" - which you are NEVER to discuss out of session.

I am pretty sure that you could THINK that David Miscavige was a total asswipe, tell your auditor and write it up on KRs on "proper channels", BUT if you never told anybody else, didn't "spread rumors" and bring about dissent in OTHERS, and as long as you continued to play along nice, they wouldn't do anything.

The ONLY time people get in trouble is when they write KRs to LOTS of people, and/or TELL friends about what they see wrong with Hubbard or Scientology. If you keep it to yourself (and your auditor, MAA, etc.), and don't make waves, it seems that nothing is ever done. That sort of compromising of ones own reality is a learned behavior for Scientologists. You MUST suppress what you see as faults, or just be plain stupid and/or blind, because so many of the faults are so painfully obvious.

Hubbard says somewhere that the only crime in this universe is "to be there and communicate". Well, if you do THAT and communicate openly about faults and flaws of Hubbard or Scientology, you will find out just how much of a crime they really consider it to be!!!!

I wrote KRs about various things I noticed that were fucked in the Church of Scientology, and I was called into the MAA for "handling". When I persisted, told other people, and wouldn't back down, and after others wrote KRs on me for enturbulating them with my "entheta" facts, THEN it was time for the Comm Ev (Kangaroo Court) and SP Declare.

As an earlier example, back in about 1979, I told a few people that Hubbard's signature on SO #1 letters was a "rubber stamp". Somebody wrote a KR about it. I was asked about it in a Sec Check on Flag by Cl XII auditor Minty Alexander - who did you tell, who told you, blah-blah-blah. In the end, I wrote it up, and agreed not to tell others what I thought, and that was the end of it. But, if I had decided to "tell others" and "spread rumors" (whether true or not), I would have hit with heavy ethics and justice actions.

I think you can look at any of the various people who have protested actions of the Church of Scientology, such as the McClaughry's pointing out that 6-month checks for OT VIIs are additives and non-LRH, and they ONLY got declared because they made noise about it to others. They were bringing out upset and mutiny (which is NOT tolerated in Scientology).

Generally, just writing a KR on perceived faults in Scientology or Hubbard is NOT enough. You have to initiate dissent and rebellion in OTHERS too. And, as long as you keep paying money, doing services and "helping the cause" otherwise, they don't give a shit what you "really think". It comes down to two things:

1. Do you help Scientology?

2. Do you hurt Scientology?

There are no other criteria for determining "rightness" or "wrongness" in Hubbard's Church of Scientology. Every ethics formula ever done MUST take into account the "greatest good for the greatest number of dynamics", and THAT must ALWAYS take into account these two things mentioned just above - because to them, Scientology is the most important and vital activity on the planet. To them. Scientology underlies EVERYTHING else, and the future of everything else depends solely on what I, we or they do with Scientology NOW!!!!!!!!

Yep, it is NUTS, and THAT is Scientology.