Introduction to the Group

[Div6]

Welcome He-who-must-not-be-named,

I think you will find all houses of Hogwarts represented here: so put no restraint on offending anyone here. If they feel strongly enough about something they will let you know about it. But do take whatever measures necessary to protect you and yours.

When I left the CoS a while back, I had attested "clear". I have since done up through OT IV and all 3 L's on the outside. I do find much value in "the tech". I rabidly oppose the popery of DM and his tech faggotry.

I look forward to reading your stories...

[Human Again]

This should be stopped. We later found out that this recruiter has a track record of this, and, here is the kicker. . . Everyone Knows. He's been doing it for 10+ years. They just don't care, but he produces new SO members. What is really funny, is that his stat is new members, but members that STAY. Perhaps that is the problem. Selecting the wrong people, the gullible to join, and then abusing them. Most children, let alone teenagers are not clear enough in their life goals to even decide who they are, let alone what they want to become. It is our job as parents to protect them and help them develop them. THEY ARE NOT QUALIFIED TO JOIN, just based on this fact, and the church pressures and threatens parents.

A few months later, I heard about this same cycle happening again, so obviously Snr Mgmt and RTC agree with the process.

I am enjoying your story Voldemorte and appreciate that you can see how it does help.

My recruitment cycle started when I was 15. My Mum refused to sign the papers. My dad said, "Let her go. Despite what they say it is very hard in the SO, she'll be back in a couple of weeks."

I went up with two adults. Both of whom went "no way let me out" within a week of seeing what was expected of them. I had stars inmy eyes about saving this sector of the galaxy and would have put up with anything.

I disconnected from my Mum and Dad within a year at the MAA's insistance and didn't see or speak to my family for a decade.

I am not surprised they are stepping up the pressure to bring in adolescents as they are easily manipulated and moulded into "loyal and steadfast SO members and execs". 14 year olds are also always "HCO Qualified" and thus much in demand.

Your son may never know the deep truth of what you saved him from, but we do. Big hugs


Almost Human

[dchoiceisalwaysrs]

Welcome Voldemorte.

"She was told she had no right to interrupt their cycle."

This is what irks me the most about the scientology organization. The members are trained into hoodwinked slaves who act and think as kidnapping, mind raping criminals who think the world belongs to them.

Doing this to a fully grown adult is bad enough, but doing it to a 14 year old then telling the parents to butt out, ......don't know what to say, except keep exposing the organization and it's barbaric culture and close them down fast.

I'm too livid to say anymore right now

[HappyGirl]

...I also have experiences working through Flag MAAs, Qual, and Tech departments that, in truth, are truly appalling in the application of the Tech.

Hi voldemorte,
Welcome! I relate to everything you have said so far, and am very glad you started telling us some of your stories. In answer to what I would love to hear about, your statement quoted above really intrigued me. I would particularly love to hear Flag MAA/Qual stories. (I, personally, spent many happy moments in those areas being handled ad nauseum, thinking I was the "only one." Do you know Suzi? She was my hero!! Is she still there?) But ANY stories are great.

[gomorrhan]

Glad you're hear, and I find your situation extremely interesting. I'm looking forward to seeing more posts from you, and will pay particular attention to any posts regarding your considerations about the tech.

[Carmel]

Hey Voldemort,

Glad to have you on the board!

I can certainly identify with what you say and your experiences. I'm still in a position where I find it healing and calming to hear and know that others have the same take on something. Feeling understood is a good thing and somehow when ya read something from another on the board, that ya can relate to or have experienced - ya feel understood. Hence, your input is appreciated this end.

I too was trained pre GAT, and have and am thankful for much of what I learned as tools for life. Fortunately for me, I stopped having auditing at 5 (pre GAT), and I avoided the 7 trip which has been so understandably horrid for so many.

I know what you mean in regard to the CofS putting your son off scn. The "church" has thankfully done the same to mine. My kids still have some very valuable relationships with a couple of "scn kids", but they are young men now, and they along with their friends, find the CofS actions and culture abhorrent purely from their own experiences.

Welcome to the board, you are among friends here. Looking forward to hearing more from you.

Cheers,
Ceedia

[Power Change]

Hi Voldermorte

When I was in Scn ( only for 5 years) I used to come across things that I didn't have reality on and used to ask lots of questions. I would use this quote above on several occasions. I thought it was pretty cool that LRH said this.

I thought that meant that you could have a choice.... that you didn't have to believe everything that LRH said. ( which I didn't ) But I was wrong !!

I would be told that I have a Misunderstood word etc and eventually when I cleared the word the thing I was questioning would then be real to me. IMO that was a load of rubbish. I didn't believe that, I just didn't agree with what I had just read, and misunderstood or not I wouldn't change my mind.

Wow this sounds like me. I had the same feelings.

I would first try to argue the point with the sup and quickly learned that I would be there all night if I didnt quickly 'get it', accept that what was written was true. I used to watch this in the courseroom as I knew something was wrong with this...but I could not articulate or figure out what exactly wasnt right about it. I watched so many students argue with the sup... until they too yielded to the power of Oz Hubbard truth.

The part about what is true is true for you....absolutely right---not one scn could actually allow that to be practiced. You either yielded to their truth or your were sec checked, put on the meter for MU's or 'handled' by someone. I think I had a 'deer in the headlights' look most of the time as a public scn.

Once I realized through reading here that my gut instincts were totally right, I could replay instantly in my mind each time I would think to myself "I dont get that" or "why do they do that?"

[FlunkedForLaughing]

Welcome Voldemorte.

I remember hearing once that a mother was getting signatures to rejoin the group, because she was put in lower ethics conditions for not signing the release form for her underage daughter to joing the SO. This was many years ago. I think it's gotten worse over the years.

I am interested in hearing any story that is safe for you to tell.

FFL

[KnightVision]

Hi Voldemort,



Welcome to the club!!!

[Anne Ominous]

Hi there Voldy Welcome to the board. Hope everything goes ok with your family.

Anon x