E-Meter, I dont get it

[Lohan2008]

sorry, having being not in Scientology...
I can't figure out why people believe that the E-meter is somes sort of magical tool able to help you??

How do you convince yourself that the needle is measuring "Theatans" or whotever??

was it solely because the 'Auditor' told you so???

[uniquemand]

Scientology Viewpoint on what the meter does and how to use it. Read this for full information from that perspective.

[Voltaire's Child]

sorry, having being not in Scientology...
I can't figure out why people believe that the E-meter is somes sort of magical tool able to help you??

How do you convince yourself that the needle is measuring "Theatans" or whotever??

was it solely because the 'Auditor' told you so???

Well, they don't think that. That's what outsiders think.

Thetan (not theatan) is the Scn word for spirit. If you're trying to talk about BODY THETANS, that's something that's audited by oneself, without an auditor, and also most auditing does not have anything to do with that, in any case.

No Scn'ist believes that an emeter is magical or helps them. It measures resistance and it helps the auditor (whether solo or actually another auditor) find things a bit more easily.

It appears that you've been sold a bill of goods.

[Lohan2008]

Not really fluffy, that's is why i am asking what u believed when in CoS
I stated at beginning I was not in & asked for clarification
dont try to draw off the topic!

[Zinjifar]

It's a load of Codswallop.

An e-meter for a Scientologist is a 'religious artifact'. The thought that a non-scientologist has and uses or even touches an e-meter is an affront to a 'right thinking' scientologist'

Much like a catholic abhoring a non-catholic holding (and defiling) the host.

It's *far* more than a voltmeter.
It's an oracle and divination tool

Zinj

[Zinjifar]

Have I ever mentioned that Fluffy, when speaking of Scientology, is actually speaking of Fluffy Scientology and that Fluffy Scientology isn't Scientology at all?

No? Tcha. How could I have missed that?

Zinj

[Human Again]

sorry, having being not in Scientology...
I can't figure out why people believe that the E-meter is somes sort of magical tool able to help you??

How do you convince yourself that the needle is measuring "Theatans" or whotever??

was it solely because the 'Auditor' told you so???

I no longer believe in the workability of the E-meter.

When I did it was because I studied texts that I believed were backed by science. The texts looked like the texts I had studied in school, references etc. There was no "the auditor told me so". You have not stumbled upon a school of stupid fish here, Lohan. Just people who have been lied to, manipulated and had their trust betrayed.

I have since found out no scientific protocols were used but that Hubbard came up with a hypothesis and then started using as fact. No in-between step. Any results along the lines he was looking for were trumpeted as proof, any variations were suppressed. This method became endemic in the entire organisation. Even to the point of specific results from courses and processes being given to the trainee/PC before their action and the requirement to produce a success story claiming the result or ethics actions, corrections and disapproval would apply. The layers of subtlety here have to be experienced to be believed. I am sure from the outside it looks like we were all stupid.

The understanding I used to have was that a thought had mass and that mass could be seen as a read on the emeter when a person held a thought or as one poppe dup when the PC was asked a question. Thoughts with mass were contributions, negative to the PC, being indicators of abberations in their thinking, behaviour etc. The e-meter was used to identify which thoughts had mass and needed to be cleared. The e-meter was then used as evidence that the mass had cleared.

It took away the final voice of the pc in my opinion. Now it was not "what is real to the PC or person" that counts, but what the auditor sees on the e-meter.

Evaluation, invalidation and indoctrination all rolled into one.

Yuk!

Does that help?

P.S. there are even theories out there that the act of running this tiny current through someone on a regular basis causes minute chemical changes in the body, building up an addiction to "getting on the cans" - is it true? Who knows but creepy huh?

P.P.S.
I remember sitting in exam at Flag, having had the worst auditing session of my life, where the auditor couldn't even look me in the eye and mixed up words on the list we had just run. ( I knew the list better than he did) I was at the examiner, angry, nauseous, rebellious and overtly so. "You're needle is floating" the examiner said. And as far as they were concerned, all was fine. At the Mecca of technical perfection - ha!

[Voltaire's Child]

Not really fluffy, that's is why i am asking what u believed when in CoS
I stated at beginning I was not in & asked for clarification
dont try to draw off the topic!

Your phrasing was comprised of loaded questions and sarcasm. That is why I responded as I did. In any case, I answered the questions and therefore can hardly be said to "try to draw off the topic".

[Voltaire's Child]

Have I ever mentioned that Fluffy, when speaking of Scientology, is actually speaking of Fluffy Scientology and that Fluffy Scientology isn't Scientology at all?

No? Tcha. How could I have missed that?

Zinj

Nothing I wrote in my reply on this threadwas contradictory to anything Hubbard wrote. If I do express an opinion that I have that would contradict straight purist Hubbardology, I ALWAYS say so. What I wrote here was straight Scientology, in no way contradictory to Scn "tech".

[Lohan2008]

>>There was no "the auditor told me so". You have not stumbled upon a school of stupid fish here, Lohan. Just people who have been lied to, manipulated and had their trust betrayed. >>

thanks for answering me, don't think/believe ex-sci are stupid, in my intro, I said I was with a group for two years... so I know the "wierd sh*t" you can get involved in.

I could see people believing in the "tech"... just cant figure out is what you (use to ) believed the needle was measuring... that is if you are sitting relaxed, the needle will not move. the E-meter just measures skin resistance.

why did you believe there was "something" to Auditing?

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Fluffy> I am not trying to be sacastic or cruel. It is you who is causing DRAMA
esmb members plz tell Fluffy to Chill