Epic London Protest 15/11/08

[Sharone Stainforth]

She did tell of her results, the usual make wrong crap.

Its no secret we have different views. I don't protest the tech. Like you
I protest the abuses, and even held up your picket sign for a while.

I protest my way as the song goes.

One further point of interest is that the protests in Tottenham court Rd, anyway are becoming something of a tourist attraction. Lots of videoing and photoing and questions.

Sounds like you had more fun with the after protest socialising.

She may have told you her results, I didn't stick around because I could not believe what I was hearing.I didn't want to cause a scene. I was very pissed off,YOU did hold my picket sign and not for the first time but holding a picket sign and telling me you are against the abuses are totally different to actually protesting the abuses.

I don't want to cause a scene now, I am not that kind of person, but promoting the Freezone whilst we are protesting the abuses and just because YOU may not of personally witnessed them doesn't mean they don't exist. They did and still do. I believe 100% the stories I have read about what ex$cientologists have gone through because it relates so much to my own experience, thats why I can relate so much to the public on the street, they tell me of their experiences inside the so called bloody "church" of $cientology and all it does is emphasize my own experience.

Do not smile at me, I am NOT impressed.I am starting to think Terril that YOU might be my internet stalker. Well are YOU?

As for having more fun after the protest. I DO NOT ATTEND PROTESTS TO HAVE FUN. I attend protests to get a very urgent message out, that URGENT message happens to be that $cientology IS an extremely DANGEROUS organization and NOT just a whacky alien cult. If I happen to have fun whilst protesting then thats because anons know how totally mind fucked it can be without an element of fun.If I have fun after or during for that matter, what business is that of yours?

Because of the nature of the subject matter as I have found to my own peril,It can and does cause a lot of upset.Have YOU ever been locked in a hold of a ship Terril and forced to work whilst a young child?Deprived of your family and made to feel you were the most degraded being on earth ? Well have you?$cientology DID that to me and to a whole load of other people.

Who are YOU trying to make wrong, ME?

If YOU turn up at future protests, I will have you on ignore.

YOU support L. Ron Hubbards "tech" and after what he and his god damned "tech" have done to good people, I refuse to have anything to do with supporters of the "tech" or anything to do with L. Ron Hubbard.

There IS NOTHING of value in $cientology, there never was and there never will be.

[Sharone Stainforth]

Concerning the Freezoners I also admit I find it weird, while at the same time feeling we should be tolerant.

I have tried being tolerant, even though I don't approve.And I have NO personal grievance against Terril, he does come across as a nice person, but I cannot condone touting for L. Ron Hubbards "tech" and that is what happened.

After what happened to me and other persons I knew back in the day, I cannot and will not tolerate support of a man, yes a man, NOT a messiah, who blatantly ruined peoples lives without any remorse for what he did.David Miscavidge continues to have total disregard for wrecking the lives of people in the same stance as Hubbard. Its a money making racket and some people are just bloody greedy.

[Pixie]

Good posts Tamasin!! Here here!!!

[Feral]

While I can see the wild variation of PASSIONATE opinion and I fully understand the reasoning of both viewpoints, can I still call for tolerance and cooperation?

I see having the FZ presence here and at the protests as extremely valuable it gives scios who are fed up with the abuses in the church another way to achieve the all important 'total freedom'. It may be the deal closer when it comes to the crunch with the church.

Many will never take that route when they find the whole story, but some will and that is their right, as it is Terrils right to practice his faith. Scientology lite.

I also totally understand why Pixie and Tam feel the way they do.

I guess I sit right in the middle of your opposing views and find a lot of value in what you all have to say. Even though I will never go to the FZ and I am personally enjoying my freedom to Pursue Echart Tolle and Abraham Hicks.

Just letting you know Terril!

[Once bitten]

While I can see the wild variation of PASSIONATE opinion and I fully understand the reasoning of both viewpoints, can I still call for tolerance and cooperation?

I see having the FZ presence here and at the protests as extremely valuable it gives scios who are fed up with the abuses in the church another way to achieve the all important 'total freedom'. It may be the deal closer when it comes to the crunch with the church.

Many will never take that route when they find the whole story, but some will and that is their right, as it is Terrils right to practice his faith. Scientology lite.

I also totally understand why Pixie and Tam feel the way they do.

I guess I sit right in the middle of your opposing views and find a lot of value in what you all have to say. Even though I will never go to the FZ and I am personally enjoying my freedom to Pursue Echart Tolle and Abraham Hicks.

Just letting you know Terril!

Yeah. Good posting Feral. THe FZ in my opinion is like a half-way house for scns. Some scns need to spend some time realising that there is on OT, no clear, and that may take a little time. That's what the FZ is for I reckon. I realised immediately though, and never dabbled as I couldn't get far enough away from everything lrh.

[Dulloldfart]

THe FZ in my opinion is like a half-way house for scns. Some scns need to spend some time realising that there is on OT, no clear, and that may take a little time. That's what the FZ is for I reckon.

They may find there is no Clear, no OT, no Xenu, no body thetans, no total freedom etc. etc. But they can still have sessions that discharge all kinds of stressful crap that appears to never come back (I've had stuff that's gone for 35 years so far, but I can't say "forever" as forever hasn't occurred yet). It's not all black and white.

Paul

[Zinjifar]

If it turns out that there's an 'ever dwindling spiral' for which Scientology is the only salvation, then, Scientology is justified. All of Scientology is justified. Including all of the fraud, extortion, subversion, deception, abuse, and simple nastiness that is the essense of 'applied Scientology' per Ron.

If not; then not.

Zinj

[Woggin' out]

They may find there is no Clear, no OT, no Xenu, no body thetans, no total freedom etc. etc. But they can still have sessions that discharge all kinds of stressful crap that appears to never come back (I've had stuff that's gone for 35 years so far, but I can't say "forever" as forever hasn't occurred yet). It's not all black and white.

Paul

I understand what you are saying DOF. I don't have the OT powers I was hoping for but I did handle a couple of things. But trying to keep things within the camp of either black or white isn't always the best course of action either. Sometimes there are so many shades of gray to consider and explore.

[degraded being]

It seems very clear to me where "the line" is that was crossed by fz - according to Tamasin's report.

Touting for fz at the pickets/protests.

That is not difficult to understand, The protests are about the destructiveness of the cult and many people have suffered. That is why they are protesting. It is not about whether people believe in the "tech" or not per se.

Don't confuse issues.
It is not rocket science. Do the touting somewhere else.

[Terril park]

It seems very clear to me where "the line" is that was crossed by fz - according to Tamasin's report.

Touting for fz at the pickets/protests.

That is not difficult to understand, The protests are about the destructiveness of the cult and many people have suffered. That is why they are protesting. It is not about whether people believe in the "tech" or not per se.

Don't confuse issues.
It is not rocket science. Do the touting somewhere else.

When in the COS they were wont to tell me what books not to read, what books to read. What people to talk to, who not to talk to. What to talk about what not to talk about.

When to protest and where and how.

I'm astonished that I get more of the same here on ESMB!

That a practicing scientologist protests the COS abuses sends a certain message don't you think?

I'll protest when and where I want, talk to who I want about what I
want!