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    Quote Originally Posted by Infinite View Post
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    And don't forget . . .
    Going with the C-Meter sidesteps any and all requirements for that silly phuggen warning, should the Cof$ adopt it, being that it is another device entirely.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GoNuclear View Post
    Going with the C-Meter sidesteps any and all requirements for that silly phuggen warning, should the Cof$ adopt it, being that it is another device entirely.

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    I guess its a matter of integrity for the operators of the machine and what it is they say the readings represent.

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    I've actually been thinking about a project like this as well - I am a software engineer with a little EE background and I think it should be possible to make little usb thingy with velcro finger straps for about $50 and software which not only shows the 'needle' but actually interprets the reads and provides some level of interaction (eg saying like "I got a read on that is there anything more there?") and recording your responses with the TA reads in case you want to go back and look at it later. I also have a MindSet EEG headset (and the SDK for it) and want to eventually look into how it could be integrated with the wheatstone bridge during the auditing process. Too bad I don't have unlimited free time lol

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    Back to the original topic, check out a company called TechLibrary thats where I got my mark V and the battery in it works great, I guess they replaced it - my guess is they do repair work on them as well. The only way I know to get in touch with them is via ebay http://myworld.ebay.com/techlibrary/ They probably also have cans, they mention they have a lot of stuff not listed on ebay and you should ask if there is something you need that they don't have listed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kate8024 View Post
    Back to the original topic, check out a company called TechLibrary thats where I got my mark V and the battery in it works great, I guess they replaced it - my guess is they do repair work on them as well. The only way I know to get in touch with them is via ebay http://myworld.ebay.com/techlibrary/ They probably also have cans, they mention they have a lot of stuff not listed on ebay and you should ask if there is something you need that they don't have listed.
    Thanks Kate. I do know about TechLibary and will see what they can do. As I am in England postage there and back may not be worthwhile. I will check out Ability Meters and Nick Warren in England as well.

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    First post! Sorry if I'm resurrecting a dead thread... I'm picking up a Mk.V and hoped someone might be able to comment on a question...

    By way of intro, I've become more and more interested in the 'clearing' tech ripped off by ElWrong from psychoanalysis research, Korzybski, et. al. and particularly after (quite sheepishly) trying Paul Adams' "Rub and Yawn" technique and finding myself grinning like an idiot and quite a bit less bugged by the issue I'd dealt with afterward.
    Thanks BTW, Mr. Adams.

    Anyway, I read most of, "Excalibur Revisited", by Geoffrey Filbert and came across the following in the appendix section, "The Last Ditch".

    (...)
    Do not use a Mark VI Meter as it will not show any of the above reads except falls which are the last important. The Church of Scientology enforces the use of only a Mark VI on this level (NED for OTs, also known as "NOT'S". contains some of the Final Ditch), and designed the Meter VI to where the level couldn't read, thereby preventing the level from being run, and thereby insuring excellent cash flow for said church. The important reads on a case, in other words, reactive thought, do not read on a Mark VI. I doubt if the Mark VI was mistakenly designed to avoid showing any real case, in the view of the millions of dollars per month, the continued use of such a deception continues to generate misapplication of data is rarely an ignorance. It is usually wilful. People that wilfully misapply data to assist supposedly themselves at the expense of others are crazy. They have a club where they have banded together for collective personal extinction, and they want to take a lot of people with them. The name of this club is the Church of Scientology.

    Although their errors were bred from ignorance, their present actions are not the result of ignorance. If they claim it was a mistake and recall the Mark VI, they must admit that they did not even take two minutes time to compare it to a V in doing the E-meter drill on the production of reads. That degree of carelessness in the design and testing of the VI is more horrifying than the reality that it was an intentional occurrence, The use of the VI on NOTS is the Church's way of clearing money into its banks and incurring no progress on its practitioners, There is a cruel irony in this in that the Hubbard families personal meters are even worse than the VI, thus their unusual personal conditions. Who knows how much Maalox Hubbard will have to take because his personal meters won't show reactive thought. One cannot help but wonder what good is a million dollars a month if you cannot even eat and digest a hamburger, mankind returns cruelty in so many subtle ways.

    If you want to lose your sons, wife, and health, then use this VI meter.
    (...)
    My question: Is this Mk.V > Mk.VI/VII recognized by anyone else? I've done quite a bit of reading on GSR meters/E-Meters and haven't seen anyone else talking on it. Obviously Co$ pushes their 'official' gear to ensure Li'l Napoleon can keep up with his movie-star friend#s# in the glamourous lifestyle of the Rich and Insane, so I know there's not going to be any connection whatsoever between what works best and what Scns use. Anybody heard this or hold a similar/opposite view?

    Also, thanks to the admin for putting and keeping this forum up (and same to all who are speaking, writing, filming, protesting, confronting and taking from the tech what can work WITHOUT the life-crushing, lie-spewing pyramid money-making infrastructure Hubbard designed to help "smash" his clown face and ever-flapping rubbery lips into history, etc.). I've been lurking here a while and it's clear that people coming out of that spiritually hazardous environment, sometimes for the first time in decades, can certainly use all the moral and intellectual support they can get.

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    Quote Originally Posted by beltway View Post
    (quite sheepishly) trying Paul Adams' "Rub and Yawn" technique and finding myself grinning like an idiot and quite a bit less bugged by the issue I'd dealt with afterward.
    Thanks BTW, Mr. Adams.
    My pleasure. May I quote you?

    My question: Is this Mk.V > Mk.VI/VII recognized by anyone else?
    Generally, Filbert is alternately full of himself and FOS, and best ignored. His comments here refer by name to the Mark VI, which was also a piece of shit compared to the Mark V and Mark VII.

    There are various threads here on the meter. I really don't recommend its use. Except in the hands of a real expert, it gets in the way and validates things that shouldn't be validated, and invalidates things that shouldn't be invalidated. Quick example: pc runs a "whole track" incident of being Jesus Christ, keys something out, feels wonderful and F/Ns widely. End of session. He may think that he WAS JC because "the meter said so."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dulloldfart View Post
    My pleasure. May I quote you?
    Certainly!


    Generally, Filbert is alternately full of himself and FOS, and best ignored. His
    comments here refer by name to the Mark VI, which was also a piece of shit
    compared to the Mark V and Mark VII.
    Good to know, thanks for clearing that up. As a kid I tried one of those cheap rising/falling-tone Tandy/RadioShack biofeedback boxes and have been fascinated with GSR ever since but never seemed to be in the right place at the right time to find a reasonably priced device (ebay, etc.) until just recently. Since I'm now waiting for a Mk.V in the mail I'm glad to know reading Filbert's book wasn't a total waste of time.


    There are various threads here on the meter. I really don't recommend its use. Except in the hands of a real expert, it gets in the way and validates things that shouldn't be validated, and invalidates things that shouldn't be invalidated. Quick example: pc runs a "whole track" incident of being Jesus Christ, keys something out, feels wonderful and F/Ns widely. End of session. He may think that he WAS JC because "the meter said so."
    Paul
    Of course, you're right. At the same time, the ego is quick to set itself apart: "Well, *I* wouldn't be so silly", and yet it's the highly intelligent and other 'not so silly' folks who often find themselves on the wrong end of brutal conditioning and manipulation tactics... Again, thanks.

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    Some Questions:

    1) What is the difference between the Mark V and a regular Ohm - Meter (VOM)
    (Other than the Mark V is under-damped)

    2) From what I understand, since the auditor is not looking for the absolute
    resistance value of the subject(PC), but rather the at the movement
    of the needle, would designing a device using OP-AMPS wired to calculate
    the velocity (derivative(differential)) of the needle make more sense (if
    any of this makes sense) than sending the output from the Whetstone
    Bridge straight to the needle?

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    Quote Originally Posted by revicamc View Post
    Some Questions:
    1) What is the difference between the Mark V and a regular Ohm - Meter (VOM)
    (Other than the Mark V is under-damped)
    One big difference is the ability to zero in on a small resistance range. For example, a regular ohm-meter might have a scale option for 0-10,000 ohms or 0-100,000 ohms, but you want to be able to zero in and have a full scale showing 5000-5500 ohms or 5000-5100 ohms or 16,000-17,000 ohms, say. In addition, you want the ability to rapidly (1/2 second) change the scale from whatever point you happen to be. For example, 5000-5100 to 5000-6000 (or 13456-13588 to 13456-15003), or 5000-5100 to 5100-5200 etc. The exact figures are somewhat arbitrary — on an e-meter you would only see TA from 0.5 to 6.5 and sensitivity from 1-32 on the dials. Most people who don't build meters and just use them would only be familiar with TA 2.0 = 5000 ohms and TA 3.0 = 12,500 ohms.

    I don't know enough to answer your op-amp question.

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