Faking a F/N

[uniquemand]

The why of the reactions isn't what the meter is measuring! The meter is measuring changes in electrical resistance! What those changes are caused by has been THEORIZED, but doesn't change what is doing the measuring, a GSR meter.

[uniquemand]

What you do is alternatively squeeze one can then the other. Unfortunately I didn't know this when I was being sec-checked, but apparently it's common knowledge.

Try it and see

I have tried it, and it doesn't look the same as a real F/N. This is thoroughly covered in the meter drills on body movement.

This discussion is boggling me.

[programmer_guy]

I have tried it, and it doesn't look the same as a real F/N. This is thoroughly covered in the meter drills on body movement.

This discussion is boggling me.

You are correct. Squeezing the cans does not look anything like an F/N.

[programmer_guy]

Yes, it seems quite clear that this is what it is reacting too, however, the why of the reactions isn't necessarily merely the emotional reaction of the body itself but perhaps that of the spirit or thetan as well. Not to mention all the interactions and collusion with all the other parts of one's beingness.

That has been my experience with the meter and the conceptual understanding I have over time come to believe.

If one can control one's focus and attention... one can produce an F/N at will.

[Panda Termint]

You don't think the e-meter works by galvanic skin response?

I'm shocked! Seriously, I thought that was both common knowledge and admitted by the Church and the FreeZone.

http://www.answers.com/topic/e-meter (This link seems pretty authoritative, and quite good, to me)

That won't fly, UM.
Please explain how galvanic skin response can possibly account for certain meter phenomena such as an FN, Floating TA, Stage 4 needle, or the very spectacular array of meter phenomena witnessed by anyone who has audited on OTII.

What you do is alternatively squeeze one can then the other. Unfortunately I didn't know this when I was being sec-checked, but apparently it's common knowledge.

Try it and see

That's false data, OB1. I heard Lance say that in the radio interview and just laughed. Any Auditor or Examiner who accepted a Body Motion simulation of an FN probably needs his/her eyes checked (or a retrain on meter reads). The needle reaction caused by alternately squeezing the cans looks nothing like an actual FN per my experience and experimentation.

[wogmonster]

If one can control one's focus and attention... one can produce an F/N at will.

Yes, I agree, I've been able to do it.

[wogmonster]

The why of the reactions isn't what the meter is measuring! The meter is measuring changes in electrical resistance! What those changes are caused by has been THEORIZED, but doesn't change what is doing the measuring, a GSR meter.

I am not saying it is measuring the why of the reactions. I am just saying that the effect of a spiritual being upon a physical, electromagnetically based construct (like a human) can also change electrical resistance. there's nothing odd at all about it. It's perfectly natural.

But then I believe all things have spirit, by definition. I believe that all sentient beings have an electromagnetic field which they employ to aid their survival as well as to express themselves.

The e-meter is just a sensitive wheatstone bridge. The movement of the needle is just interpreted to mean this, that or the other thing. Whoopti-fuckin-doo!

It doesn't mean the reading is any less or more valid than any other technique. It just is.

One's electrical resistance changes for a variety of reasons. There are really too many to mention here. Practically everything can change it.

[uniquemand]

GSR is simply the change of resistance, Panda. The various needle reactions you are talking about are simply different fluctuations of resistance. Again, what causes them is not what is measured by the meter. Only the change is measured (and rate of change). Your discussion of varieties of experiences that cause these changes (such as running through imagery on OTII) is tangential.

[Panda Termint]

GSR is simply the change of resistance, Panda. The various needle reactions you are talking about are simply different fluctuations of resistance. Again, what causes them is not what is measured by the meter. Only the change is measured (and rate of change). Your discussion of varieties of experiences that cause these changes (such as running through imagery on OTII) is tangential.

Fair enough. I was actually referring to your first post (the others hadn't yet appeared whilst I was answering) and thought you were forwarding the common misconception that it's a variation in resistance caused by factors such as sweat etc. If you're using the pure definition as in Wheatstone Bridge theory then it's my mistake.
In my experience the meter definitely reacts on mental masses, mock-ups, thought processes and accompanying emotional responses, electrical discharges etc. as well as body motion factors.
No harm, no foul.

[Carmel]

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In my experience the meter definitely reacts on mental masses, mock-ups, thought processes and accompanying emotional responses, electrical discharges etc. as well as body motion factors.
No harm, no foul.

In my experience too Panda.

Back to the op - Ya can't fake an actual F/N with an auditor who knows how to read a meter, but yes, it is possible to fake the EP of a chain or a process by putting your attention on something else that is pleasurable, and getting an F/N on that (easier said than done though!).

E-meters aren't lie detectors! They're different, they have a specific purpose, and those who've audited a lot won't generally doubt their workability.

If ya want to see it for yourself, get a copy of the e-meter drills and do them with a mate or someone - then at least ya might get an idea that the e-meter is a tool that measures emotional responses, electrical discharges and the like.

Question for you Tom - why would you want to be able to fake an F/N? You mentioned sec checks - WTF?