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    Default Let's retake our church

    With Marc Headly moving forward with his civil suit over wages, this could be the right time to press the attack, overwhelm the opposition with truth, extend our anchor points and recapture what was meant to stay ours.

    I believe that if those of us who could testify to the following experiences at the hands of OSA/CoS, it could be done:

    (1) Having had our confidebtial session statements used against us, or threat of same as blackmail, or having participated in doing so as a member of OSA/CoS.

    How many people would spend their $ and go into session knowing this was actually happening?

    (2) Having experienced or observed physical abuse at the hands of David Miscaviage.

    Both (1) and (2) have happened to enough people that if even 20% of victims and participants were to litigate and testify against the CoS for this, one way or another, the walls could come tumbling down, perhaps through internal mutiny to save the organization from the ramifications of Miscaviage's actions.

    I recommend that a handful of people with actual experience of (1) and/or (2) lead the charge.

    Love,
    Dex

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    You go first Dex. :D

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    Quote Originally Posted by dexter gelfand View Post
    With Marc Headly moving forward with his civil suit over wages, this could be the right time to press the attack, overwhelm the opposition with truth, extend our anchor points and recapture what was meant to stay ours.

    I believe that if those of us who could testify to the following experiences at the hands of OSA/CoS, it could be done:

    (1) Having had our confidebtial session statements used against us, or threat of same as blackmail, or having participated in doing so as a member of OSA/CoS.

    How many people would spend their $ and go into session knowing this was actually happening?

    (2) Having experienced or observed physical abuse at the hands of David Miscaviage.

    Both (1) and (2) have happened to enough people that if even 20% of victims and participants were to litigate and testify against the CoS for this, one way or another, the walls could come tumbling down, perhaps through internal mutiny to save the organization from the ramifications of Miscaviage's actions.

    I recommend that a handful of people with actual experience of (1) and/or (2) lead the charge.

    Love,
    Dex
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    Quote Originally Posted by byte301 View Post
    You go first Dex. :D
    Hahahaha!!
    Well, as they recede further and further into distant memory, I intend to "flourish and prosper" and forget all about the 38 years I wasted on them, and they seem to be sliding into their own self-created sinkhole without us doing anything, anyway.

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    I'll gather my troops immediately.


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    Quote Originally Posted by dexter gelfand View Post
    With Marc Headly moving forward with his civil suit over wages, this could be the right time to press the attack, overwhelm the opposition with truth, extend our anchor points and recapture what was meant to stay ours.

    I believe that if those of us who could testify to the following experiences at the hands of OSA/CoS, it could be done:

    (1) Having had our confidebtial session statements used against us, or threat of same as blackmail, or having participated in doing so as a member of OSA/CoS.

    How many people would spend their $ and go into session knowing this was actually happening?

    (2) Having experienced or observed physical abuse at the hands of David Miscaviage.

    Both (1) and (2) have happened to enough people that if even 20% of victims and participants were to litigate and testify against the CoS for this, one way or another, the walls could come tumbling down, perhaps through internal mutiny to save the organization from the ramifications of Miscaviage's actions.

    I recommend that a handful of people with actual experience of (1) and/or (2) lead the charge.

    Love,
    Dex
    Go Dex!

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    Hi Dexter. I miss the church and the comeraderie, but I really think small obscure groups are much much better and more what LRH intended.

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    Sorry, I have to join the trend, here, and I'm not just jumping the bandwagon. When I did go to the Church, I never intended to join a Church or a movement. I intended to learn Dianetics, and then get a job as an auditor, or do it privately with my friends. Joining a Church was the furthest thing from my mind.

    You are welcome to your Church. I will live my private life and help people with what I know, no carrots or whips, no cash and no commitments.

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    Default Fair point

    I understand, Unique (by the way, I love the pictures you post ).

    I myself have never experienced the physical abuse or been threatened with having the contents of my sessions used against me, but I would absolutely not take it lying down had these occurred, and I think the fact of these particular things having been done are both points of vulnerability for the current CoS management and salient reasons to bring about change by any effective means.

    My feeling is that the original meaning and purpose of the Church of Scientology was to provide workable techniques for spiritual recovery to a very high level and to facilitate this in a safe, participant-friendly non-prohibitive way. I feel that this is what we have always had a right to expect, that this has been corrupted and stolen from us all.

    I feel that those of us that feel and have been treated this way could and should act to take back what should be ours.

    Love,
    Dex

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    Quote Originally Posted by uniquemand View Post
    Sorry, I have to join the trend, here, and I'm not just jumping the bandwagon. When I did go to the Church, I never intended to join a Church or a movement. I intended to learn Dianetics, and then get a job as an auditor, or do it privately with my friends. Joining a Church was the furthest thing from my mind.

    You are welcome to your Church. I will live my private life and help people with what I know, no carrots or whips, no cash and no commitments.

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