LRH Advices

[Lulu Belle]

In another thread, Little Bear Victor brought up something about DM. He said, "These days he acts like LRH advices are god's word."

It made me think about the LRH advices that I've read and some that I've heard that I haven't actually read.

If you haven't been in the SO, you might not be that familiar with the "backroom orders" from LRH. These go under an umbrella called "advices". Sometimes they are dispatches, sometimes they are telexes, sometimes they are notes taken by messengers following him around.

If you have been privy to reading many of them, I can guarantee that you would have a much different view of LRH than you get just from reading the published policies. Policies are generally written for "public view", and as such, are made to be as palatable and as sane sounding as possible, for the most part.

Even the policies where he sounds the most insane, pale beside how he sounds in these "advices".

As an example, LRH policy says "you always pay for and take care of the staff".

However, I remember reading an advice where he was blasting the "inadequate" amount of money the orgs were sending uplines. The advice said something about "ripping the money out of the orgs...I don't care where you take the money from, as long as it isn't from promotion."

Another example:

You guys might remember the "List 1 R/S" era. Supposedly, LRH "discovered" that List 1s were being "incorrectly called" and came in to save the day.

Guess what? I saw the advices/dispatches from that time period. He was running the whole thing via the CMO. He was totally behind it, and made many derogatory comments about the "R/Sers".

Senior Management, no matter what they say, run more on these "advices" than they do on standard, basic and (at least somewhat) sane policy.

Anyone remember any more "advices"?

I'm sure you guys who used to be at Int have seen a lot of them.

[Zinjifar]

That sounds like a potentially very fruitful idea Lulu! I don't think anyone has really tried to compile the known 'advices' into any kind of collection, but, it'd be great to do so. Unfortunately, most of them will not be available as 'documents', but, even the various memories should be a treasure trove.

Here are a couple of links:
http://www.xenu.net/archive/hubbandcw/
http://www.lermanet.com/scientology/cst.htm
http://www.factnet.org/Scientology/s...ells_alli.html
http://www.skeptictank.org/gen3/gen01968.htm
http://www.lermanet2.com/chuck_beatty/

Chuck's is particularly good for Incomm examples and, you can use the 'find in page' tool under 'edit' in most browsers to locate the individual 'items'.

No TA required

Zinj

[Div6]

Originally Posted by Zinjifar

That sounds like a potentially very fruitful idea Lulu! I don't think anyone has really tried to compile the known 'advices' into any kind of collection, but, it'd be great to do so. Unfortunately, most of them will not be available as 'documents', but, even the various memories should be a treasure trove.

Here are a couple of links:
http://www.xenu.net/archive/hubbandcw/
http://www.lermanet.com/scientology/cst.htm
http://www.factnet.org/Scientology/s...ells_alli.html
http://www.skeptictank.org/gen3/gen01968.htm
http://www.lermanet2.com/chuck_beatty/

Chuck's is particularly good for Incomm examples and, you can use the 'find in page' tool under 'edit' in most browsers to locate the individual 'items'.

No TA required

Zinj

I just want to acknowlege Zinj for an actually helpful, thoughtful and on-topic post. Please copy to his ethics file as "capable of change".

[Zinjifar]

Originally Posted by Div6

I just want to acknowlege Zinj for an actually helpful, thoughtful and on-topic post. Please copy to his ethics file as "capable of change".

The rumours of my metamorphosis may be ill-conceived or premature

Zinj

[Div6]

Originally Posted by Zinjifar

The rumours of my metamorphosis may be ill-conceived or premature

Zinj

Note that I said "capable of". The actual requirement, if I recall correctly is "makes ethics change". There is insufficient evidence of *that* at this time.
;)

[Zinjifar]

Just a note, *this* particular advice I find especially revealing, although I don't doubt that many others surpass it in criminality.

http://www.xenu.net/archive/hubbandcw/7.gif

Talk about micromanaging and greed!

Zinj

[Lulu Belle]

Originally Posted by Zinjifar

Just a note, *this* particular advice I find especially revealing, although I don't doubt that many others surpass it in criminality.

http://www.xenu.net/archive/hubbandcw/7.gif

Talk about micromanaging and greed!

Zinj

This is a pretty typical advice regarding sales.

And, yes.

It's pretty tame compared to others I've seen.

[Mick Wenlock]

Originally Posted by Lulu Belle

In another thread, Little Bear Victor brought up something about DM. He said, "These days he acts like LRH advices are god's word."

It made me think about the LRH advices that I've read and some that I've heard that I haven't actually read.

If you haven't been in the SO, you might not be that familiar with the "backroom orders" from LRH. These go under an umbrella called "advices". Sometimes they are dispatches, sometimes they are telexes, sometimes they are notes taken by messengers following him around.

If you have been privy to reading many of them, I can guarantee that you would have a much different view of LRH than you get just from reading the published policies. Policies are generally written for "public view", and as such, are made to be as palatable and as sane sounding as possible, for the most part.

Even the policies where he sounds the most insane, pale beside how he sounds in these "advices".

As an example, LRH policy says "you always pay for and take care of the staff".

However, I remember reading an advice where he was blasting the "inadequate" amount of money the orgs were sending uplines. The advice said something about "ripping the money out of the orgs...I don't care where you take the money from, as long as it isn't from promotion."

Another example:

You guys might remember the "List 1 R/S" era. Supposedly, LRH "discovered" that List 1s were being "incorrectly called" and came in to save the day.

Guess what? I saw the advices/dispatches from that time period. He was running the whole thing via the CMO. He was totally behind it, and made many derogatory comments about the "R/Sers".

Senior Management, no matter what they say, run more on these "advices" than they do on standard, basic and (at least somewhat) sane policy.

Anyone remember any more "advices"?

I'm sure you guys who used to be at Int have seen a lot of them.

It would be worth looking over all the various advices that arose out of the 1982 Int Stat Analysis.

There was an advice in there that dealt with the Int GI and was commenting on the usual "one week peak" every month. First of all - and this is a paraphrase of course - Hubbard expresses amazement that "284" is still in force. And suggesting that Management needs to find a way to wean the orgs off it - lol. Hubbard points out that the prices are way too high. This is 1982... regges and crew members in the orgs were being commeved, put in conditions, declared for saying exactly that! I was reading this advice in 1984 and this problem had, even then, not been handled.

It is hard for me to convey how angry I was when I read this piece of crap advice. My wife was an FSC at the time and regularly, in 1984, got handlings because she thought the prices were too high. As I had I when I was an FSC. Two years after HUbbard had said it, two more dumb years of unhandled prices rises and people were being beaten up about it. Even though they were "right" and management was "wrong" and management knew it.

The rest of the advice dealt with how to extract more money out of the public and to force staff to keep selling..

[Zinjifar]

Originally Posted by Mick Wenlock

It would be worth looking over all the various advices that arose out of the 1982 Int Stat Analysis.

There was an advice in there that dealt with the Int GI and was commenting on the usual "one week peak" every month. First of all - and this is a paraphrase of course - Hubbard expresses amazement that "284" is still in force. And suggesting that Management needs to find a way to wean the orgs off it - lol. Hubbard points out that the prices are way too high. This is 1982... regges and crew members in the orgs were being commeved, put in conditions, declared for saying exactly that! I was reading this advice in 1984 and this problem had, even then, not been handled.

It is hard for me to convey how angry I was when I read this piece of crap advice. My wife was an FSC at the time and regularly, in 1984, got handlings because she thought the prices were too high. As I had I when I was an FSC. Two years after HUbbard had said it, two more dumb years of unhandled prices rises and people were being beaten up about it. Even though they were "right" and management was "wrong" and management knew it.

The rest of the advice dealt with how to extract more money out of the public and to force staff to keep selling..

You probably missed seeing the 'advice' to 'no matter what else I may say, squeeze them for all you can get and then some'.

Zinj

[chuckbeatty]

Originally Posted by Mick Wenlock

It would be worth looking over all the various advices that arose out of the 1982 Int Stat Analysis.

There was an advice in there that dealt with the Int GI and was commenting on the usual "one week peak" every month. First of all - and this is a paraphrase of course - Hubbard expresses amazement that "284" is still in force. And suggesting that Management needs to find a way to wean the orgs off it - lol. Hubbard points out that the prices are way too high. This is 1982... regges and crew members in the orgs were being commeved, put in conditions, declared for saying exactly that! I was reading this advice in 1984 and this problem had, even then, not been handled.

It is hard for me to convey how angry I was when I read this piece of crap advice. My wife was an FSC at the time and regularly, in 1984, got handlings because she thought the prices were too high. As I had I when I was an FSC. Two years after HUbbard had said it, two more dumb years of unhandled prices rises and people were being beaten up about it. Even though they were "right" and management was "wrong" and management knew it.

The rest of the advice dealt with how to extract more money out of the public and to force staff to keep selling..

Dear Mick,

If you ever go to the UK for holiday, or whatever, Ursula Caberta who heads the "Scientology Task Force" in Hamburg would greatly appreciate meeting you.

If you want to be a speaker at one of the "cult" conferences that happen yearly, over in EU, I think absolutely you could give the flavor of life in the ranks where the big bucks money gets "raked in."

Your experiences in Copenhagen, and later your experiences in the IAS, there is much to share and get out to those in EU who need to know how Scientology's bureaucratic top ranks raked in the money.

If you or ANY former senior Scientology staff admin people, if ANYONE finds
themselves in EU for any reason, I will gladly introduce you, and and anyone, to spend an hour or two meeting and chatting with Ursula.

I just read your life getting out of the Sea Org at Copenhagen, and your discussion of LRH ED 284, the price increase LRHED, boy, that is so typical.

LRH just had no clue what his orders caused, or he displayed a seemingly conscious heartlessness at times, blaming others for the hardship the money raking caused, which he conveniently didn't remember he started the LRH ED 284 price increases to begin with. He was unaware of how inept and shell shocked and gun-shy his "aides" were to sensibly counter-act against his "orders" that when his orders were left go to their logical conclusion inevitably causing serious abuse. DM's the one who needed to see this, and he's been the one who holds dear these "advices" and runs with them to these abusive conclusions, and DM then follows LRH's behavior patterns and finds faults with the subordinates who misimplemented the LRH orders.

It is a catch 22 vicious circle inevitably losing predicatment, a systemically ingrained losing proposition.

I'm always trying to NOT blame all concerned, but LRH has to be the "source" of it all, the whole damn mess, since his fantasy about himself and his own "goodness" was the buffer that I think kept him from realizing the hardships and pain all his policies and "advices" were causing.

His non-realization, his non-recognitiion, his arrogance, his megalomania, his heights of fantasy about how he saw the universe, and how he saw himself, in the small time slot he "lived" in body form on earth, his fantasy about his "legacy of tech" making it tradeoff all the abuse his bureaucratic writings and "advices" set in motion. LRH's created world around himself, the whole movement, the tech, the rules, t is just a sad sad self-protective almost natural self-defensive bureaucratic organized fantasy that naturally kept him from realizing the downsides his whole creation was causing for real in people's lives.

L. Ron Hubbard Junior's statement that his dad, LRH, LRH Jnr said LRH was all about "self-agrandizement and power", that statement is so true.