MARTY RATHBURN - AN AGENDA ??

[Feral]

Originally Posted by Terril park

There are cases coming up where he is on the docket re human trafficking.

At this stage they're civil cases, they would have to evolve to ''criminal charges'' from the FBI to lead to an arrest and conviction.

[Gottabrain]

TO THE AMERICANS ON HERE: Speaking of the FBI, they have a report link on their website. It DOES work - I used it once to report someone harassing me by phone and the line was shut down and I never heard from them again. So Americans exScns - this may be a good way to put a dent into local Scilon human rights abuses:

http://www.fbi.gov/ucr/ucr.htm

[Terril park]

Originally Posted by Feral

At this stage they're civil cases, they would have to evolve to ''criminal charges'' from the FBI to lead to an arrest and conviction.

I'm quite ignorant when it comes to thinking about law.

My assumption just from Logic is that if found guilty of human
trafficking, or even if its established there is a case to answer,
it then becomes a criminal matter.

Is not human trafficking a criminal offence?

[Thalkirst]

Marty is just an LRH wannabe, but lacks the charisma of the old man, and has no clue how to run a cult and make it a profitable business.

DM is definitely to superior to Marty when it comes to eligibility for leading a sinister cult. Also, Davey has easy access to hundreds of millions of dollars, so he can retain the best lawyers and is able to drag out legal cases for decades. And if the cases against CSI go rough (worst case scenario), he can always pretend ignorance as RTC's managing director, revoke all licenses CSI has for delivering Scientology and dismantle it and get a new Church started aka Golden Age of New Corporations.

His lawyers probably made sure RTC is untouchable by legal means (probably that corporation does not do anything at all, just issues licences).

Unless DM makes huge mistakes, he is going stay in power until he kicks the bucket and goes to his special place in Hell.

Just my 2 cents.

[nw2394]

Originally Posted by Terril park

Is not human trafficking a criminal offence?

IANAL and, even if I were, I am not an American Lawyer - however I think their system works similarly to British law wrt to criminal vs. civil cases - i.e. to get someone sent to jail requires a criminal cases (a case brought by the state). Civil cases are about damages - money. Also the burden of proof is different for a ciminal case vs. a civil cases. In a civil case it boils down to you versus them and the court will decide on the balance of probabilities who is right. In a criminal matters you face accusation by the state itself - along with all its machinery for law enforcement and evidence gathering - which is why they have to prove guilt - not just show that you are probably guilty.

Nick

[Mick Wenlock]

Originally Posted by Terril park

I'm quite ignorant when it comes to thinking about law.

My assumption just from Logic is that if found guilty of human
trafficking, or even if its established there is a case to answer,
it then becomes a criminal matter.

Is not human trafficking a criminal offence?

Its not a matter of logic but of law.

People are not charged or convicted on logic but on evidence. In a civil matter one has a lot more leeway.

But in criminal matters it is much more direct.

And, to be frank, DM could get convicted in criminal court - but why would that "remove him"?

Lyndon LaRouche went to jail - and when he came out (and while he was in) he was still the head of his insane group.

[Zinjifar]

Originally Posted by Mick Wenlock

And, to be frank, DM could get convicted in criminal court - but why would that "remove him"?

Lyndon LaRouche went to jail - and when he came out (and while he was in) he was still the head of his insane group.

In the case of Scientology I think it's a given that any criminal conviction will and must lead to other crimes, including crimes that involve practically all of the assets of the 'Church'. So, any criminal conviction of David Miscavige will almost inevitably lead to the dissolution of the 'Church' itself. That may not really be the case, but, it's my working hypothesis.

Even if criminal convictions of Scientology's 'leadership' do *not* result in seizure of 'Church' assets (hidden and known) a criminal conviction of almost any kind will lead to enough civil lawsuits to achieve the same result.

Zinj

[Gottabrain]

Carmel, Your post really hit me. (Page 3, post #24) I wanted to say more at the time, but I was just speechless.

I am astounded at both the arrogance and the ignorance of M Rathbun and his followers in this dialogue.

This is an incredibly stupid, pigheaded display of their lack of knowledge and understanding of Australian culture and events. From this post, it is evident that he and his followers still think "in the box" and cannot even perceive of, much less effectively communicate and relay concepts such as "Fair Game" to the outside world. They just don't get it - perhaps never will.

So much Scientology gibberish that doesn't clearly communicate or accomplish anything.

Their arrogance is their blindness and their downfall.

[AnonKat]

Originally Posted by Thalkirst

Marty is just an LRH wannabe, but lacks the charisma of the old man, and has no clue how to run a cult and make it a profitable business.

DM is definitely to superior to Marty when it comes to eligibility for leading a sinister cult. Also, Davey has easy access to hundreds of millions of dollars, so he can retain the best lawyers and is able to drag out legal cases for decades. And if the cases against CSI go rough (worst case scenario), he can always pretend ignorance as RTC's managing director, revoke all licenses CSI has for delivering Scientology and dismantle it and get a new Church started aka Golden Age of New Corporations.

His lawyers probably made sure RTC is untouchable by legal means (probably that corporation does not do anything at all, just issues licences).

Unless DM makes huge mistakes, he is going stay in power until he kicks the bucket and goes to his special place in Hell.

Just my 2 cents.

What abouit the CST than ?

[lifeinblue]

Originally Posted by Anonycat

Have you tried asking him? Speculating gets weird. Now I'm speculating that you're starting something. See how it works?

For the record I'm not a believer (Scn, DM, Marty, et all) but I have spoken to him and several of "his friends" and I have no reason to believe any of the suggested "agendas".

I could be wrong of course but I do know you can talk to the guy. Seems like those with questions should just ask him.

Just don't expect to agree with him. I didn't.