Sydney Anon - A perspective from the "inside" on your protests.

[Carmel]

Hello Pyro, Supafreak, and our Anon Syd legends,

We now have "betrayed" on ESMB - She was in the SO on AOSH ANZO crew, till six months ago. She was inside when you protested outside at Greek St. Tonight on "chat", I asked her how you guys were perceived. Here's some info that I copied from "chat" tonight (I edited it to put in sequence, and omitted some of my dribble):

Q - Hey betrayed, i'm dying to know what was happening within the org, when the anon protests were going on outside?

A - Oh security thought it was pointless. No one was aloud to walk between the lobby... Also children believe it or not were hidden so that the camera could not see them

Q - And did you crew talk amongst yourselves about what was going on?

A - No I thought that it was amuzing and when they stating facts that I believed where true... well it did hit home... realy hard and did make me want to come out... the majority of the time

Q - Did ya think the anon were suppressive, or no?

A - The org thought they were...

Q - Do ya mind if I post this on their message board?

A - no go for it.....I want the message out

A - If you want to let them know that the facts that really hit home are: 1. Not seeing family 2. Not having time off. 3. Not having enough sleep. 4. Schedule fucked. 5. Splitting up marriages.

A - Oh and tell them that security laugh at them when they are dancing... so does Cyrus Brooks

A - and Alex Kutosov... PPRO she thinks she makes an impact on them

A - the org thinks that these guys are a bunch of recruited teenagers that have no idea on what they are protesting on

A - Yeah OSA and etc think that they have control.... but they so don't

A - but tell them Carmel those points because security make it an entertainment show... additionally get ppl to film on the inside.... ie ppl from OSA or CLO going in a disguise within the protest and filming and recording them

A - Also Cyrus gets security to get footage on anyone who takes their mask off

Q - Are these guys (the scios who pretend to be Anons) crew or public?

A - No they change regularly so that Anon can't keep track

A - Both.... one of the public was... Kim Parsons. Luke Graham

Q - Does Luke have blonde hair?

A - Um yeah he is about 6 foot 3 or something long blondish hair... carries a camera his bro works for the church Sydney org called tim graham

A - Carmel they also have the Police on the churches side... someone who isn't anon needs to expose the church to the police so that the police leave them to protest not just escort them away

A - Yeah I know for a fact thou that the CHief of Poicy Glebe is on the church's side cause he has come in personally and stated to Security that Anon are a waste of time and should leave a good church

Q - have you heard him say this, or have you been told this?

A - I heard something along the lines of this when I was sitting at reception

A - But they also need to know that the Church blast music so that the noise doesn't get in the org

Q - do they blast it on the inside?

A - Yep

Q - so the crew can't hear the loud speaker?

A - Yeah and the public get kept clear of the lobby

A - Oh yeah they change the break time if they are protesting around 3:30ish to 4:15 so that the public don't hear them


Betrayed is happy to let ya know anything she knows or help ya with whatever, so feel free to ask her.

Needless to say, goodonya Sydney Anon!

[Alanzo]

Excellent data!

There is a lot of inside information coming out now because the cult can not maintain the loyalty of Scientologists. With all its lying and abuse, the cult does not deserve the loyalty of earnest Scientologists who would never abuse anyone.

We need more and more inside info like this, until all the "inside" info - is outside!

Thank you, Betrayed.

I'm sure your information will be put to good use!

[anon2487]

Thanks. It's invaluable to finally hear an "inside take."

Originally Posted by Carmel

Betrayed is happy to let ya know anything she knows or help ya with whatever, so feel free to ask her.

Cool beans.

Hi Betrayed, I'm pleased that you're out and able to hear all sides of the story now. Hopefully things will work out well for you.

Thanks for the info, yours is the first true "fly on the wall" account of the protests that most of us have had.

Okey dokey, here goes...

Q - Hey betrayed, i'm dying to know what was happening within the org, when the anon protests were going on outside?

A - Oh security thought it was pointless...

I'm assuming you mean "pointless" in the sense of "What do they think they're gonna achieve?...they're just prancing around making fools of them self" etc. [Please could you correct this if I've misunderstood you.]

• Assuming that the above is accurate, is there any sense of Scientology being under siege at the moment? [Since the protests started, the "church" has suffered a sustained onslaught of bad publicity.]

• Is it common knowledge that the protests are global?

A - Oh and tell them that security laugh at them when they are dancing... so does Cyrus Brooks

• "Funny haha" or "funny "?

A - and Alex Kutosov... PPRO she thinks she makes an impact on them

• Do you know of any specific things she's done that make her think this?

A - but tell them Carmel those points because security make it an entertainment show...

• When you say "entertainment show," what do you mean? I don't really understand.

A - But they also need to know that the Church blast music so that the noise doesn't get in the org

Q - do they blast it on the inside?

A - Yep

Q - so the crew can't hear the loud speaker?

A - Yeah and the public get kept clear of the lobby

• What is the atmosphere like inside when a protest is going on? Tense/ normal/fake "tone 40"/genuinely fun (with all the music inside, and so on [maybe this was what you meant by entertainment])?

We have 2 types of protests: "main" monthly ones that CoS knows about in advance, and small "flash" protests, the date and time of which people try to keep fairly secret.

• On a scale of 1 to 10, how much disruption does a protest cause, and does it make a big difference which of the 2 protest types it is?

A - If you want to let them know that the facts that really hit home are: 1. Not seeing family 2. Not having time off. 3. Not having enough sleep. 4. Schedule fucked. 5. Splitting up marriages.

This is interesting. Whilst we've been very effective in showing that the "Church's" fearsome reputation's no longer warranted (this stopped SO much media coverage from happening in the past it's untrue) - as far as we can tell - we've not been very effective in directly causing people to leave.

• Would you agree/disagree with this last statement?

Thanks in advance.

[DCAnon]

This is actually exactly what I expected they'd do. XD I'm sure our org did something similar with the "infiltrations" and laughing at us dance, though we do know for a fact that our metro police aren't on their side. Cool beans!

[Barbarious]

Wow.. Just Wow.. Awesome post. Nice to here we have people leaving because of anon.

[supafreak]

Thank you for posting this, Carmel. This is great!

I've not seen Alex making an impact on anyone. They probably sent her out because she's blonde and attractive, to try and sway the male Anons.

Haven't noticed an infiltrator for a while...we used to have a fat guy in a black Spiderman mask, who used to film people. Infiltrators are easy to spot.

[Panda Termint]

Yes, I confess...

I used to look at Anons/Protesters and think, "what a bunch of idiots!"

Nowadays I look back on how I was, I look back at the unhappy people inside the CofS,
I look at so many of my dearest friends still-in and think, "what a bunch of idiots!"

[Betrayed]

Your answers are in Bold between u'r questions

Originally Posted by anon2487

Thanks. It's invaluable to finally hear an "inside take."


Cool beans.

Hi Betrayed, I'm pleased that you're out and able to hear all sides of the story now. Hopefully things will work out well for you.

Thanks for the info, yours is the first true "fly on the wall" account of the protests that most of us have had.

Okey dokey, here goes...

I'm assuming you mean "pointless" in the sense of "What do they think they're gonna achieve?...they're just prancing around making fools of them self" etc. [Please could you correct this if I've misunderstood you.]

Yes they think it is pointless..... and what they think they are gonna achieve..... basically all of what you said is what they think...

• Assuming that the above is accurate, is there any sense of Scientology being under siege at the moment? [Since the protests started, the "church" has suffered a sustained onslaught of bad publicity.]

Well it goes like this... Cyrus and Alex go out there with Scio booklets thinking that ppl that are watching them will have questions about scientology.... therefor they will walk in.... but anyway that is their view pointn. My vp is that if their messages go out and they started to get me to look when they stated things like ppls family getting split up I was like that is true... no SO member or Scientologist can turn away from that one fact... neither can the public

• Is it common knowledge that the protests are global?

Not that I know of... but from talking on the phone to ppl that were at FLAG or AOLA yeah they have a simular viewpoint....

• "Funny haha" or "funny "?

Funny haha...

• Do you know of any specific things she's done that make her think this?

Well when she went out there she used to think that just by talking to the other ppl that are protesting she would be getting ppl to see that Scio is not was Anon is making it out to be... She would come in laughing or smiling stating that they are just kids.... and get public to hand out books to the Anon Protestors and see if they have any questions

• When you say "entertainment show," what do you mean? I don't really understand.

Meaning that security had to stop public and staff looking at Anon... some ppl thought that they were entertaining... so did security they thought that they looked funny by doing dancing or whatever. Cyrus used to say that they need dance lessons... I think just because they pull alot of attention... it does become a problem so OSA degrade it saying it is an entertainment show.... Also the music that was played by Anon... definately not the entertainment from the inside... Honestly I think it is a degrading noise from the church to lessen Anon Ethics Presence as to say in terms that I only know how to say it

• What is the atmosphere like inside when a protest is going on? Tense/ normal/fake "tone 40"/genuinely fun (with all the music inside, and so on [maybe this was what you meant by entertainment])?

Well the staff get told to say productive....but their tone is fake... it is more curiousity then anything else... Its Tense from Security and OSA wise... fake with the staff... Normal with the public

We have 2 types of protests: "main" monthly ones that CoS knows about in advance, and small "flash" protests, the date and time of which people try to keep fairly secret.

• On a scale of 1 to 10, how much disruption does a protest cause, and does it make a big difference which of the 2 protest types it is?

7-9 on the unstable SO members
2 on ppl that are really indoctrinated in Scio
8-10 on unstable public as Scios

U got to understand that your message impinges on the unstable ppl... in that case was like myself unstable on Scio and SO... so your messages made me look.... I even got accused of joining Anon when I was fighting my way to the door to get out.

So the scaling is very high... keep them going.... in no way do I think that they are pointless... I think the message gets out and impinges on ppl that are not stable...




This is interesting. Whilst we've been very effective in showing that the "Church's" fearsome reputation's no longer warranted (this stopped SO much media coverage from happening in the past it's untrue) - as far as we can tell - we've not been very effective in directly causing people to leave.

• Would you agree/disagree with this last statement?

Disagree I think u have caused an effect because whatever u communicate that is real to Scio and SO members such as breaking up familys etc.... u do cause ppl to have a look I am a shear product of that

I really hope this hopes..... Please let me know when u have more questions. And I hope I duplicated them correctly... let me know pls
Thanks in advance.

[Feral]

G'day Betrayed,

How many crew are left at AOSH ANZO and what were the most crew they had?

Are crew defecting like the public?

Is it hard to get the GI stats these days?

[Betrayed]

Originally Posted by Feral

G'day Betrayed,

How many crew are let at AOSH ANZO and what were the mot crew they had?

Are crew defecting like the public?

Is it hard to get the GI stats these days?

When I was there 157

Not really sure...

GI stats average 120000 to 250000 sometimes lower a week...