A nonchalant life

[ttamaad]

Billy, you are one cool cucumber. I think you have no fear at all! I hope your goat is all better soon.

Thanks, by the way, the goat is doing great... still has a limp but close enough back to all good.

As for the fear thing, work on building sites and you learn to lose the fear concept/ Its all be very well prepared and then do whatever needs to be done.

Even if you are scared sh*tless, just keep on doing what you prepared for. Fear soon dissipates when the other person is showing more fear than you

 

[randomx]

About Denny Frater, didn't know he was the only NZ OT 8.
Some of the other (few) OT 7s have been stalled for a hell of a long time eh?

There was an earlier one ... Olive Roundhill.
She got back from Flag, (this was before the Feewinds,) around 1981
Gave a talk about her wins on OT8 .
Yes...I know OT 8 wasn`t even released then. However
she talked about OT 8`s being able to evolve the body they wanted.
You know grow back hair, eradicate wrinkles, lose beer guts etc.
Just like Hubbard (NOT)

Olive was dead within a few months.
Maybe she had a George Romero fetish.

As for the stalled OT sevens.
You could say they all landed on Mayfair with a hotel.
Gee I`m trying to count them.
One is bankrupt and declared. TLS.
One is out to pasture. PE
One is dead. WC

Any other OT7 initials ?

 

[degraded being]

There was an earlier one ... Olive Roundhill.
She got back from Flag, (this was before the Feewinds,) around 1981
Gave a talk about her wins on OT8 .
Yes...I know OT 8 wasn`t even released then. However
she talked about OT 8`s being able to evolve the body they wanted.
You know grow back hair, eradicate wrinkles, lose beer guts etc.
Just like Hubbard (NOT)

Olive was dead within a few months.
Maybe she had a George Romero fetish.

As for the stalled OT sevens.
You could say they all landed on Mayfair with a hotel.
Gee I`m trying to count them.
One is bankrupt and declared. TLS.
One is out to pasture. PE
One is dead. WC

Any other OT7 initials ?

Can't quite place those initials actually but maybe after a while... Edit - oh yeah got one of them.
Anyhow more initials (not sure what Ot level but some are OT 7)

VD
LL has been that for years but was previously LE
E H-S went oseas a long time ago but was around in the very early years
LB
MP

Oh yeah, and DP and AP (declared)

All of these were around for years.

and then there is/was BW and MW (think that's the surname) He was GO, I'm guessing they decamped to England.
Also (Not ot then but maybe now?) GR and MR I'm guessing they decamped to OZ and prolly diehards and SO (actually she was Flag rep in NZ).

 

[randomx]

Oh to heck with it.

I was putting initials to protect the privacy of
these individuals.
But to hell with it.
I`m sure they were all photographed proudly holding
their OT certificates at some point.
So let`s all celebrate New Zealand`s
greatest contributors to the "Let`s make planet
earth a prison planet" fund.

The OT7`s I know of are
Phil Evans....incomplete
Wally Collis .... Deceased. 28 June 2007 aged 93.
Terry Le Seuer.... Declared... (No contest)
Ian Gillot could be on his way there now. (to ot7)

I guess the VD you mentioned was Vicky Dickey.
Last I heard she was RPF in Sydney.
Had a son Edward also S.O.
Dick and Amy of course. Dick passed away about 2000.
Margie Pearce deceased.


I see Debbie Zimatore on the OT 8 list.
Unless you were thinking of Bruce (ex G.O)and Marlene Gibson. Now South Africa.
Laurence Bingham. Pretty sure he was old OT7.
Eunice Henley Smith is SO in LA.
Her daughter Laurese appears to be Miscavige`s squeeze. (Ex wife of Uwe)

You stumped me with the other initials.

Come back to me ten four.

 

[randomx]

New Zealand OT 7`s

Phil Evans....incomplete
Wally Collis .... Deceased. 28 June 2007 aged 93.
Terry Le Seuer.... Declared... (No contest)
Bernard Roundhill dead, aged 92, 2005
Peggy Lee/ Roundhill Wife of Bernard...also deceased
Mary Hobbs - completed 7 last yr, maybe 2006
Bruce Gibson OT7 ??? EX DSA OSA.
Marlene Gibson OT7 ??? wife of Bruce.
Ian Gillot could be on his way there now. (to ot7)

I`ll edit this as more info arrives.
Thanks Sallydance

 

[degraded being]

Phil Evans....incomplete
Wally Collis .... Deceased. 28 June 2007 aged 93.
Terry Le Seuer.... Declared... (No contest)
Bernard Roundhill dead, aged 92, 2005
Peggy Lee/ Roundhill Wife of Bernard...also deceased
Mary Hobbs - completed 7 last yr, maybe 2006
Bruce Gibson OT7 ??? EX DSA OSA.
Marlene Gibson OT7 ??? wife of Bruce.
Ian Gillot could be on his way there now. (to ot7)

I`ll edit this as more info arrives.
Thanks Sallydance

Yeah Gibsons
And uh, people who were there way back at View Rd. Mt. Eden days, and later I think.
Lynnaire Ensoe
Zimmatores - Think both those guys are on that other OT 8 list. But not NZ anymore.
Fraser -there was Rufus and his Brother who was later a CS
And Lynn Boyd
Marci Rogers Some were OT but not sure about others.

 

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Lynnaire Ensore became Lynnaire Liversedge.
Now widowed. Not OT 7. Maybe 5.
Nick Fraser still C/S for Auckland... Not OT 7. Maybe 5
Went to Flag a few years back but was sent
home after not ever being sessionable due
to health problem exacerbated by oppressive heat there.

Rufus left NZ about 1980. He was really into G.O and
OSA. but not as staff. I hear James Bond theme...
Or is it "get smart ?"

Marcy Rogers not OT 7.
Possibly 5. Deceased.

 

[ttamaad]

What about Harry DeJong ?

He was in Auckland early on (mid 70's) I believe he was in the GO.

 

[randomx]

De Jong

Haven`t seen or heard of him since 1980.
Glasses. short blond curly hair, short pants.
Looked like a maths teacher.
I`ll ask around.
What do you remember about him ?
I seem to recall him being an OSA spy.
But not staff.
Never knew his OT level. You think he was 7?

 

[ttamaad]

Haven`t seen or heard of him since 1980.
Glasses. short blond curly hair, short pants.
Looked like a maths teacher.
I`ll ask around.
What do you remember about him ?
I seem to recall him being an OSA spy.
But not staff.
Never knew his OT level. You think he was 7?

You got him in one... wouldn't have a clue what level he would have been on... I met him very early on, stayed at his and his wifes place. He was a nice guy then. Maybe he still is?

Be really funny to send him an email

 

[degraded being]

Thanks for the update.

Sad to hear about Marcy Rogers. I didn't know about that.

 

[X-Member-Hooray]

X TTC student Sydney (for 8 mths)

HI Billy,

I have read your letter and it made it clear why you left so suddenly. I always wondered why.

I was a TTC student with you and Greg and Dale as Supervisors. I always thought you did a great job. However I was always in strong doubt about the effectiveness of Scientology and over the years I have become extremely anti, anti, anti. Big time.

My hubby was wanting to join the SO just after I had my second baby. I was opposed to this idea and the EO threatened to declare me. I was so upset my hubby and I separated shortly afterwards, after spending life savings on Scn and gotten high interest loans. Just wanted to say I appreciate how you must have felt.

I wont rave on as your probably wont read this post as it seems as though you have not been online for some time.

Hope things are going well for you.

I wont say my name but I sat near the training drill room in the TTC for 8 months.



X-member-hooray

 

[Reasonable]

Hello Everyone,

I have written him an open letter at http://nzkiwi.biz

I clicked on the link but there is no letter. There is a phone number and an e-mail address