Hatshepsut
Crusader
How does one choose a substitute goal to immortality if that is the schtick. Tough not to feel one is settling.
Why do you think all the real estate investment is going on in the Church. Seems idiotic. Anyone know the rationale?
Originally posted by Veda
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"Personal immortality is only to be gained through the printed word, barred note or painted canvas or hard granite.
I guess many others have been down that road.
You believed in helping others and personal growth. That the method or path you followed to get there was faulty in hinesight does not change that.
Maybe there is alsoo mourning the loss of innocence what you feel ?
How does one choose a substitute goal to immortality if that is the schtick. Tough not to feel one is settling.
I have some ideas, Vin. One is that they have accepted an "enemy line" that they are evil persons, or were evil persons for helping what they now view as a cult. It's tricky. If you judge yourself, now, based on what you did then, with less knowledge and different skills, it's often easy to condemn yourself or view yourself with contempt.
Maybe these people are hung up on "being" and "surviving". And they expect others to be hung up on "being" and "surviving" too.
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What do you mean by that? What should make sense to me? Can you tell me in short your comment about what I wrote? You gave me reference too long to read at the moment.
I enjoyed an overall happy and interesting life in my 8 years of CofS from 75 to 83 and also in the following 7 years of AAC. I stopped at the right moment I think on both adventures, but it was good!
Paolo,
The point is that the old organization was promising heights that could not be delivered, taking money for them and disappointing people. We (you and I and many others) were not. Huge difference.
David
Shiona Fox-Ness' 1984 video of the AAC Santa Barbara.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0IxWFOWj17M
With acknowledgement to XENUTV, Mark Bunker for keeping it up there all these years
But I am hopeful that the road travelled by my friends here "...has made all the difference".
Macbeth:
"To-morrow, and to-morrow, and to-morrow,
Creeps in this petty pace from day to day,
To the last syllable of recorded time;
And all our yesterdays have lighted fools
The way to dusty death. Out, out, brief candle!
Life's but a walking shadow, a poor player,
That struts and frets his hour upon the stage,
And then is heard no more. It is a tale
Told by an idiot, full of sound and fury,
Signifying nothing."
Or perhaps more hopefully and sustaining:
"...As the long train
Of ages glide away, the sons of men,
The youth in life's green spring, and he who goes
In the full strength of years, matron and maid,
The speechless babe, and the gray-headed man—
Shall one by one be gathered to thy side
By those, who in their turn shall follow them.
So live, that when thy summons comes to join
The innumerable caravan which moves
To that mysterious realm, where each shall take
His chamber in the silent halls of death,
Thou go not, like the quarry-slave at night,
Scourged to his dungeon, but, sustained and soothed
By an unfaltering trust, ..."
Excerpt from "Thanatopsis" by William Cullen Bryant
The crew assembled and remembered here on ESMB were not "poor players" by any stretch of imagination - but rather bold and hopeful adventurers...at least that's the way I see it.
My hope...well, maybe wish is a better word... is that all "quarry slaves" everywhere be freed from whatever bonds restrain them.
EP
How does one substitute a realistic goal for one that has been discovered to be a fantasy?
Those aren't your words, but I think they can help clarify the issue.
The way OT abilities are set up in Scientology, have long been tried and abandoned in India. They were called "Siddhis". They simply boosted the ego and were found to be a barrier to real spiritual progress. These OT levels never attracted me.
OTness, the way it has been promoted in Scientology, is nothing more than these "Siddhis" (Google it, or check in Wikipedia). I think it is time to look at what spiritual progress truly is.
OT levels seem to provide only Siddhis. They do not provide real spiritual progress.
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Substituting a realistic goal for one that has been discovered to be a fantasy is sometimes very hard.
Adopting a substitute goal for one that was real and bright and breathed life into you, but simply became unattainable....very very hard.
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