Alain B. Kartuzinski, McPherson C/S dies from Cancer

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  1. AnonyMary

    AnonyMary Formerly Fooled - Finally Free

    Title correction: He was not her C/S per Mate. And per Alain's interview with police
    and per

    However, in reading the following, Alain's post title puts him as being her C/S. This is where I got the info he was her C/S.
    FL0520300/Clearwater Police Department Report No. 95-29158
    Offense Death Investigation Date of Report 3/25/97

    "Involvement With Lisa McPherson: Valarie took care of Lisa McPherson from approximately 11/21/95 to 11/29/95 or 12/3/95. She wrote several reports regarding this involvement and placed the initials SNR C/S FSO for the person the reports were addressed to; that being Alain Kartuzinski. She indicated that the word "RUSH" on the top of a report meant that it did not follow the normal mail routine and was taken directly to Alain Kartuzinski." [..]

    With Mate's comments below and Rathbun's comments corroberating that DM was C/Sing the case with Richard Reiss,
    it's clear that Alain was not Lisa's C/S t the time of her illness and death.
    Now onto the Obituary info:


    FYI, I searched but could not find the news here that Lisa McPherson's C/S had died at the young age of 58 from..... you guessed it...... cancer.

    Sunshine over at OCMB posted this
    "Alain KARTUZINSKI passed away Nov. 6, 2009 at Tampa, Florida"

    The short obits at Legacy states:
    Alain B. Kartuzinski

    KARTUZINSKI, Alain B. 58, of Clearwater, passed away Friday, Nov. 6, 2009 at H. Lee Moffitt Cancer Center in Tampa. Eternal Rest Funeral Home 727-733-2300

    R I P, Alain. May you never come back to Scientology.
    Last edited: Nov 30, 2009
  2. gladimout

    gladimout New Member

    Response to your post

    What an excellent Biblical verse you chose.
    Because, it is known that using freedom,power or knowledge to manipulate,deceive or destroy is against the law of dharma.
    Dharma is basically the Golden Rule.
    Thank You for your post. OM :coolwink:
  3. AnonyMary

    AnonyMary Formerly Fooled - Finally Free

    You're welcome! Glad you like it :wink2:
  4. Iknowtoomuch

    Iknowtoomuch Gold Meritorious Patron

  5. mate

    mate Patron Meritorious

    I knew Alain well. I was a C/S under him when he was the Lead C/S in the Case Cracking Unit in the FSO. At the time he was considered as one of the best of the Class XII auditors. IMO, he was an an extremely good C/S in case repairs. It was a pleasure to work under him and his expert guidance.

    At the time of the Lisa McPherson death, he was the Senior C/S for the Class XII unit, and would have had the title of Deputy Senior C/S FSO. The C/S on the Lisa McPherson case was the late Peter Buttery, and auditor was David Gellie. However, the Senior C/S FSO office was for some strange reason, bypassing both Peter Buttery and Alain Kartuzinski, putting them both into danger. The Senior C/S FSO was and still is, Richard Reiss, however at the time of Lisa McPherson's breakdown, David Miscavige was present the the Senior C/S FSO Office, instructing Reiss. As David Miscavige had demoted Ray Mithoff from RTC Inspector General (tech) to Snr C/S Int and then removed him from that post, then as Inspector General, David Miscavige held Snr C/S Int (Held From Above), which resulted in Reiss following his instruction. As a direct result, there was "GROSS OUT-TECH", such as evaluation and wrong indications and "out-Lists".

    As a result, David Gellie, Peter Buttery, and Alain Kartuzinski were removed permanently from tech lines with all their certificates cancelled, and Alain had to admit he was telling lies, when he was in fact, following subsequent instructions from David Miscavige.

    As you may have gathered, Alain was French and came from a very wealthy family in the shoe industry. He was multilingual, which would account, in part, for his success as a Class XII auditor.

    Alain is now at peace and getting ready for his next project. And it wont be scientology, because the total scientology organisation will have been consigned to a part of history well before he returns. This has been foretold.

    Alain, it was a pleasure knowing you this lifetime, and I look forward to meeting you again some time in the future.

    Fondest Regards, David.
  6. Wisened One

    Wisened One Crusader

    R.I.P Alain.
  7. ExVet

    ExVet Patron with Honors

    He was on the RPF in 2007 where he had been for years, along with his son. He was very healthy looking then and very much into vitamin and mineral supplements. He was a very nice, helpful man and very, very remorseful about his role in the Lisa McPherson tragedy. I'm so shocked at this news. Does anybody know if he was still on the RPF when he passed away?
  8. scooter

    scooter Gold Meritorious Patron

    When I was in FSO in '87, I was "posted" as the I/C of the Senior C/S trainees. There was quite a few being sent to FSO and a number of trainees already there were being put onto this program. Alain was Snr C/S FLB at the time, posted in CMO Clearwater and senior to Snr C/S FSO. He was my "senior" for running this CMO program on all the traines.

    I had direct dealings with Alain until he was removed and put into the RPF. He was a nice man in a horrible position and he certainly didn't deserve the RPF assign he got then (as if anybody did really!). His wife was gutted as now she barely saw him at all. They had 2 (?) young children at that time.

    My condolences to his family - he always struck me as "too nice a guy" to be in the SO, especially as any sort of exec.

    RIP Alain - good luck with your future journey.
  9. Iknowtoomuch

    Iknowtoomuch Gold Meritorious Patron

    I thought DM was the one CSing her?
  10. Kutta

    Kutta Silver Meritorious Patron

    RIP Alain. I never knew him, but from your accounts, he was indeed a good man.

    Mate, one of Lisa's C/S's I did know: Peter Buttery. I was quite shocked to read he had died. Actually, when I was routing out of the SO at Saint Hill UK, he told me I would meet that fate. But here I am, alive and kicking. I would be interested to hear what happened to him after he was removed from tech lines and how he died. When he was at St Hill he was married to a sweet young woman, I think called Christine. I heard the marriage didn't last. Peter was the only person I witnessed at SH losing his temper and screaming, at I don't remember who, in Qual. He was NOTS CS at that time, and Richard Reiss was Senior CS in the ?HGC. Is that what it was called? This was 1981.
    Last edited: Nov 30, 2009
  11. AnonyMary

    AnonyMary Formerly Fooled - Finally Free

    Thank you for explaining what happened at Flag, David. I corrected the OP, as I couldn't change the title.

    I hope you know that I was being facetious in my comment about him not coming back as a scientologist; I wrote that because of the motto "We Come Back" but I know and believe in what has been foretold.

    To you and all who knew him, My condolences. I'm glad he's free from scientology.

    "Alain is now at peace and getting ready for his next project. And it wont be scientology, because the total scientology organisation will have been consigned to a part of history well before he returns. This has been foretold."
  12. Alain Kartuzinski (Cl. XII and presumably OT VIII) died of cancer at 58--way too young. And Mate tells us that Peter Buttery, my old nemesis from HSOL (London Day--with similar qualifications) is also deceased. How? When? Does anyone have details?

    What is it with these Cl. XII OTs dying young? Seems highly inappropriate to me...

  13. Idle Morgue

    Idle Morgue Gold Meritorious Patron

    I was reading Lisa McPherson's website - all of the interviews with staff that were responsible for her - Debbie Cook, Alan Kartuzinski - it is just amazing the SPINNING these staff members did to hide the "murder" of Lisa McPherson.

    What is interesting is that they all are getting sick or dying. I googled Alain K. to see where he was and found this post! He covered up the crime, got demoted. He totally withheld the fact that David Miscavige had been Lisa McPherson's "clear cog" and Introspection Rundown. All of the staff members avoid telling the police she had paid for the IR and was doing it. It is just shocking how they lie and cover up the truth!!

    Poor Lisa McPherson - :bigcry: Just crazy staff people absolutely clueless!!

    Debbie Cook - OMG - really? You are the Captain at Flag and OT 5, this is the MECCA - where Lisa died and your police interview is a big spinning "I don't know anything about what happens here". "Lisa had meningitis, sepsis, aneurysm etc... lie lie lie! Just unbelievable these staff members can spin such spin! The MECCA of spin! Flag!

    Just fricken insane!!

    Debbie Cook lied too - I sure hope you contact Lisa M.'s relatives and apologize to them for your part in the cover up!! I am sure you were doing it "In the best interest of the criminal organization"???:whistling: How did that work out for ya? Karma sucks doesn't it? David Miscavige is next in line for the wonderful world of Karma!

    Her death was not in vain - she did some serious damage to the church of Scientology, David Miscavige and the staff forced to commit crimes to keep her death a secret!!

    We have not forgotten Lisa McPherson - bump her story every few months please!!
    Last edited: Mar 26, 2013
  14. Gib

    Gib Crusader

    the debbie cook is out now. I'm sure she knows,

    when she was in, she was a true believer, SO member, much different than your public member. SO member is 24/7, public is not so 24/7, but maybe just a lower level of intensity. But I know what you mean.
  15. In present time

    In present time Gold Meritorious Patron

    when debbie said she knew where the bodies were buried, and took the money and ran. Well... It doesn't take a rocket surgeon to figure that out. Not just sad, TRAGIC.
  16. dianaclass8

    dianaclass8 Silver Meritorious Patron

    Thank you, thank you...for telling it as it is...I don't care if these people were true believers, they encouraged each other to perpetrate crimes which destroyed many people's lives.

    I wonder if Marty Rathbun is now going to come out with a eulogy about how grandiose he was just like he did with Earl Cooley and other criminals that have died in the past few years.

  17. AnonyMary

    AnonyMary Formerly Fooled - Finally Free

    You might find these articles/threads helpful.


    Blood on their hands
    Friday, 12 March 2010 12:40
    30% of OTs have cancer and Tommy Davis is covering it up?
  18. Out/Int

    Out/Int Patron with Honors

    BUMP! RIP Lisa McPherson:bigcry:

    I am reading the Lisa McPherson case and am in complete and utter shock.

    The Church of Scientology DSA told me she died of a aneurysm. LIARS!

    Here is what I have been reading ALL DAY because I know Paul Greenwood, Craig Burton,
    Bennetta Slaughter and others involved in the big cover up.


    Does this clip from the deposition regarding the Lisa McPherson investigation / case sound like a woman suffering from an aneurysm?

    Q. And, excuse me, the -- can you describe Lisa
    4 that first time you saw her? How she looked and what she
    5 was doing?
    6 A. Well, she was with the a lot of physical motion
    7 and she went to make piss (sic) how you say, she went to
    8 the bathroom, and she drink her pee, and then --
    9 Q. She drank, did you guys follow that? What was
    10 it? I missed it.
    11 THE ANDREWS: She urinated then drank it.
    12 BY MR. MCGARRY:
    13 Q. She urinated then drank it?
    14 A. Yeah.
    15 Q. Wow.
    16 A. Then she flushed the toilet. Then she went to
    17 take a shower with her clothes and shoes, and then she
    18 started to play with the -- how say the --
    19 MR. POLLI: Spicots.
    20 THE WITNESS: Yeah, exactly. So like she
    21 was singing and dancing, and doing things, and stand up
    22 and down. So then we complete the shower. We took off
    23 her clothes, and we helped her to take a shower. And then
    24 we dry her and we put her clothes. And then we went to
    25 the room and we give her food, but she was too much in

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