Annie Tidman Broeker

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  1. Andtheyalllived

    Andtheyalllived Patron with Honors

    How dare they.

    She was used in life, and they never stopped using her once she was dead.

    This thing below was in response to one of Rinder's "Hubbard was crazy, but crazy in the genius sort of way" posts:

    Teddy | January 5, 2013 at 8:52 pm | Reply
    Thanx much for your read on present misunderstood “mad” being regarded as genius in future. Thanx also for distinguishing between misunderstood “mad” and sociopath. One thought: For long it seems that a duality of white and black Scientology has coexsisted. When I think of Annie Tidman I think of the best of LRH.

    Really? So a young, naive cult-follower makes your guru more valuable?
    To me, Marty Rathbun ended the meaningful part of Annie's life. The way her life went makes me sick.
    He caught her at Logan airport, and "Annie seemed resigned to her fate." She saw him and "her shoulders sagged, and any intention she had of continuing on just evaporated".

    Her chance for love was over, she stepped back into the cage, and Marty slammed the door behind her. She sits around for years, and then dies, ALONE, and Marty now says:

    Irrespective of what Annie may have been coerced to sign prior to her passing, I’ll always remember her for what she stood for twenty years ago. When I intercepted Annie during her 1992 attempt to reunite with her then-husband Jim Logan, we flew alone across the country overnight in John Travolta’s private jet. Annie, in the inimitably vague manner in which such prohibited thoughts must be shared within corporate Scientology, communicated in so many words the following, she was returning to the Int Scientology base for one reason alone: to protect LRH’s legacy from David Miscavige.

    No. She returned because she was afraid of you. She was so close to freedom, and you stopped her. She didn't care about DM. She wanted to be with her husband. Tell yourself whatever, but the reddest blood on your hands is Annie's. "Awww, Marty's here... I'll never see Jim again. Or anyone else that I love.... Ah geez..."

    Marty, you sonofabitch.
  2. Free Being Me

    Free Being Me Crusader

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    But I had to put it to Rathbun himself -- after all, wasn't he the one who screamed down the highway at illegal speeds to get to the Ontario airport, and then flew across the country so he could track down Tidman and bring her back? An experience, combined with subsequent "rehabilitation" with hard labor and sec-checking, that had "broken" her?

    Didn't he feel some remorse for having helped to break down Tidman so that she never attempted to leave again?

    "Do I feel guilty? Well, not really. She made her decision," he told me, saying that when he caught up with Tidman, she could have continued onto a small plane that was about to leave the Boston airport and he would not have been able to follow her on board. Instead, just the sight of him seemed to make her give up her escape attempt. Rathbun defensively added that he'd done what he could to help the family get what information it could in the last year and a half. But then, he shifted tone.

    "Yeah, I do feel bad about it," he said about the 1992 incident. "But I think I've been doing everything I can to reverse those problems

    Marty, here's a message for you: :moon:
  3. Ogsonofgroo

    Ogsonofgroo Crusader

    What a deluded douche-bag prince. He actually thinks he's worked his shit karma out?

    Bwahahahahahahahahaha! Stuff it where the sun don't shine Marty ya bent cull!



    Ah, dat felt a-okay, i go nao.
  4. Lurker5

    Lurker5 Gold Meritorious Patron

    Bumpity :bump2: Hello ATAL :wave: and a belated :welcome2:
  5. Veda

    Veda Sponsor

    From what I understand, Annie Broeker's mother was and is a Scientologist, and Annie was born into Scientology, becoming a Commodore's Messenger. She served Hubbard on the ship, which would have meant that she would have been 13 or 14 at the time (as best as I can approximate it), then, according to an account at Marty's blog, she "served LRH on a daily basis for the last ten years of his life." So, roughly, she would have been thirty at the time of Hubbard's death. That means she spent most of her life - up to the age of thirty - as a personal servant to L. Ron Hubbard. I've seen some of the (confidential) Commodore's Messenger material - written by Hubbard - and it is creepy stuff. Annie, rather than having a normal adolescence, instead was a full time servant of the founder of the cult of Scientology.

    Hubbard had a preference for Annie Broeker, and she became his number one female servant.

    A while back, a poster to ESMB, Cowboy, who is a former Commodore's Messenger, provided some information and insight. Here are just a few items. All of Cowboy's posts are worth reading.

    Regarding the ages of the Commodore's Messengers:

    Most went straight to the CMO, slightly over half I'd say, starting at 12 or so for many. A few held other posts and would enter a little bit later, after some non-CMO experience. Very, very, very few got in in their twenties. Mostly not where the old man was.

    _______And some more, beginning with 'A new Messenger'_______​

    A new messenger waited outside the door to the room that held his Majesty King Red. He was visibly shaking, nervous as all get out about meeting, and working with the old man. He was stuttering, going on about how awesome it must be being in the shadow of Source on a daily basis. He flinched when the old man's booming scream pierced through the doorway and another messenger, white-faced, came rushing out of the office with an armful of materials, the old man's voice screaming after her.

    The new guy blanched. "Come on, he can't be alone," I whispered to him. The guy nodded, but I had to prod him to get him to follow me into the room.

    I introduced him. The old man gave a grunt and pointed down at the pile of submissions which lay on the ground, where the messenger who'd been with him a moment ago until being dispatched on some urgent errand, had left them.

    I picked up the first, summarized what the submission was about. "Nooooh," the old man said, and reached for a cigarette.

    New Guy fumbled with the lighter and dropped it.

    New Guy knew something about the submission. He tried to explain the issue. "NOOOOOH," the old man said again. "You let them submit this crap?" he asked New Guy.

    New Guy just sat there, with his deer in the headlights look, and, unfortunately for him, nodded his head.

    "What the hell were you thinking?" the old man asked.

    New Guy couldn't figure out what to say.

    "Well, speak up man!"

    New guy remained immobile as the old man turned beet red and started yelling. "Get the hell out of here. Get off watch. You're no god-damned help," he told New Guy.

    I don't remember if he ever was allowed on watch again. Poor New Guy was slapped in the face with reality, rather than fantasy. He was crushed. He was demoted out of the messenger org, and never got the chance to make it to the top again. Hubbard criticized the hell out of him, saying his confront was out.

    It wasn't always easy to be yelled at by a God...

    _______But there were happy moments too for the Commodore_________​

    Mike Douglas, Kima's husband, he's dead now, he'd work special projects for the old man or Kima. You should have seen the old man's eyes light up when Mike showed up with a handful of diamonds which Hubbard had directed him to purchase. Boy, Hubbard was almost as excited as when he saw the bag so filled with Krugerands he could hardly lift it. Nothing like good old material goods to make a man salivate... get those old spiritual juices flowing...

  6. :thumbsup: Veda, you're going on "Golden Quotes"! :happydance:
  7. AnonyMary

    AnonyMary Formerly Fooled - Finally Free

    Good post. Do you have a link to this comment on the blog? It's hard to figure out your comment from what was posted there. I'd like to see the original.

    Much of what you posted reminded me of the sad post Jim Logan wrote here, before he got 'cleaned up' by Marty

    I later PMd him and this was his reply by email
    Very sad....
  8. Andtheyalllived

    Andtheyalllived Patron with Honors

    Hi, Mary...

    here's the link:

    Meant to include it in the first place!

    I read that sad Jim Logan post (summarizing the events of his separation from Annie) a long time ago, and I think that's really what got the whole Annie subject festering for me. She wanted BABIES! She was just SO CLOSE to freedom!

    Many people have that one Scientology "Thing" that sinks it's teeth into the psyche and won't let go ... some misdeed or horror. Annie is mine, I guess.

    I had NOT read Jim's post-Marty-handling communication! Thank you for that. And now I'm torn: Jim Logan has found peace, but it's based on bullshit. He is a good human ... and I'm sure it feels better to be blind and happy, rather than tortured and clear-sighted.
  9. Andtheyalllived

    Andtheyalllived Patron with Honors

    Yes, and this makes me even more amazed that she tried to escape in the first place. That kind of indoctrinated upbringing is so hard to shake off. So when Marty justifies her CAPTURE with "She made her decision..." well, no. He confronted her with the same authority to which she'd spent her life submitting. She was inexperienced and at the moment, friendless. She had summoned the unlikely courage to spread her wings, and he clipped 'em. Just because she didn't flap and squawk doesn't mean she wasn't coerced.
  10. Infinite

    Infinite Crusader



    " . . . suffer little children . . . "
  11. Veda

    Veda Sponsor

    A little more from former Commodore's Messenger, 'Cowboy', late 1970s:

    The old man lived in a little two bedroom apartment. One bedroom for his bed and such, and one with his easy chair and lamp, and of course no chair or anything for his lapdog messengers. We'd be on our knees. Sort of like days of royalty, couldn't let our heads get higher than his. So there was no such thing as a chair. Never an even footing. Sometimes you could stand while he sat, though.

    I used to worry the neighbors would complain when he had a bout of anger, which was about every other day.

    It was here I remember first seeing his skin cancer on his face, and really wondering how someone who could control the physical and non-physical universe could have skin cancer, get hellacious wrinkles and sagging jowels, and pretty much all the normal things an aging, formerly red-haired, pale skinned individual would suffer from.

    At the end of the day, usually somewhere around mid-night, he'd watch his movie. We'd get all manner of movies recorded, and I'd have to memorize them and have them waiting for him. I'd cue one up and sometimes he'd like it, and sometimes not.

    Now, I learned something the hard (loud) way. This was in the days of VCRs. We'd want to fast forward through the commercials, watching the counter to track when the commercials were over, and hopefully stopping it just as the sound track of the commercial faded away and the movie started up again. Only trouble was, all groups of commercials aren't the same. There could be two thirty second ones, or a minute and fifteen seconds.... ANyway, I could never communicate that too him and would consequently be berated for being so stupid I couldn't read the counter. Like most situations, there was no opportunity to explain. Can't tell you how many times I got yelled at...

    Let's see, there were the LRH meals, of which half were tossed, usually because of continuing attempts to poison and kill or make sick..., amazing how many assasins or SPs there were that became cooks.
  12. Petey C

    Petey C Silver Meritorious Patron

    The more I read about it, Hubbard's obsession with extremely young, ie adolescent children, seems more and more creepy. I wonder how it would be viewed if it were happening these days.
  13. lotus

    lotus autonomous rebellous

    Each time I see this photograph, it gives me a deep nausea

    It represents so well the CMO children's stolen life and soul ,
    to become the ""choosen one'' the Elron Commander servant

    Isn't it easy to dominate children with your ''grandeur'' height - authority -Mad eyes - yelling,
    helding 'em captive to serve you - as free slaves ????
    Isn't it easy to capture such a person and get her back with threatening her freedom, eternity , and to be declared as an sp
    and finally to give her back as a special meal to the beast....for the torture program

    She had the blessing to encounter
    Ron the humanitarian....
    Marty the preacher ....

    My tale is different than Marty's one

    Annie Tidman
    Born as a beautifull child
    was given to a Cult Guru
    Served long years -
    Tried to escape
    To be loved and become a mother
    was captured
    brought back in prison
    held captive and tortured

    Died young,
    suffered a long ilness ,
    and has been left with her loneliness
    dying, quietly without any sorrow...

    May you be in a space of freedom and joy - you deserve it
  14. lotus

    lotus autonomous rebellous

    Nice piece of art (the photograph) for a sunday preaching in ''Tejas''

    2 pairs of worn children

  15. Andtheyalllived

    Andtheyalllived Patron with Honors

    Here's some insight from HelluvaHoax from this time last year... Def kills the flimsy argument that someone fleeing the cult is a strong, mentally well-armed person capable of "making her decision:"

  16. Free Being Me

    Free Being Me Crusader

    The Truth Rundown - Marty Rathbun - When Annie Tidman Broeker Blew


  17. lotus

    lotus autonomous rebellous

    This I am 99.9% certain.

    That was the right button to push.
    And Marty wrote a beautifull tale of this ''encountering at the airport - and Annie coming back for Ron greatest good'' ...

    Last edited: Jan 6, 2013
  18. lotus

    lotus autonomous rebellous

    People would reprot it to protection agencies \ police.
    Children protection agencies would suspect children neglect\abuse with labour and sex - They would , acting fast, take the children out and debrief them. They would suspend parental right and protect children.
  19. ChurchOfCylontology

    ChurchOfCylontology Patron with Honors

    One day he'll wake up and the weight of what he's done will hit him like a freight train. I just hope he's behind bars in the cell next to Miscavige when that happens.
  20. Moosejewels

    Moosejewels Patron Meritorious

    Okay. it's always creeped me out about the Master having all these young people surrounding him. Are we talking

    pedophilaia here ? :confused2:

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