Books Scientology Doesn't Want You To Read

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  1. guanoloco

    guanoloco As-Wased

    I thought it would be great to put all the known books exposing Scientology/Hubbard, etc. Those that have links are free downloads. Spread the word!

    • Jon Atack (1990), A Piece of Blue Sky http://usminc.org/books/APOBS.txt

    • Paulette Cooper (1971), The Scandal of Scientology. Also see her (1997) diaries. After having been sued eighteen times by the Church, to get a settlement Cooper reportedly “promised she would not republish the [former, Scandal] book and signed a statement saying fifty-two passages in it were ‘misleading’” (Rudin and Rudin, 1980) http://usminc.org/books/Scandalhtnl.zip

    • Russell Miller (1987), Bare-Faced Messiah http://usminc.org/books/BFM.txt

    • Robert Kaufman (1995), Inside Scientology/Dianetics

    • Cyril Vosper (1997), The Mind-Benders

    • George Malko (1970), Scientology: The Now Religion. Malko’s book was reportedly later “withdrawn by its publishers who also paid a legal settlement” (Wallis, 1976)

    • Monica Pignotti (1989), My Nine Lives in Scientology

    • Bent Corydon and L. Ron Hubbard, Jr. (1998), L. Ron Hubbard: Messiah or Madman?

    • Margery Wakefield (1991), Understanding Scientology http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~dst/Library/Shelf/wakefield/us.html; (1993), The Road to Xenu http://www.american-buddha.com/cult.roadtoxenuwakefield.htm; and her (1996) autobiography, Testimony

    • Bob Penny (1993), Social Control in Scientology

    I know there have been more recently so please add to this list.

    Thanks!
     
    Last edited: Jul 9, 2011
  2. Veda

    Veda Sponsor

    Helen O'Brien, 'Dianetics in Limbo', 1966, http://www.xenu.net/archive/books/dil/Dianetics_in_Limbo.txt

    George Malko, 'The Now Religion', 1970. Cover: http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_pDjNGLfSI...u0GjFiE/S210/Scientology_The_Now_Religion.gif Text: http://www.lermanet.com/malko/malko.htm

    Paulette Cooper, 'The Scandal of Scientology', 1971: http://www.clambake.org/archive/books/tsos/sos.html

    Robert Kaufman, 'Inside Scientology', 1972: http://www.apologeticsindex.org/Inside Scientology Kaufman.pdf

    William Burroughs, 'Naked Scientology', 1972: http://www.apologeticsindex.org/Naked Scientology.pdf

    Letter from Sara Northrup to Paulette Cooper, 1972: http://www.forum.exscn.net/showpost.php?p=79110&postcount=23

    Bent Corydon, 'Messiah or Madman?', 1987, 1992, 1996, and 2005 Russian language edition. (The only scan available is a 1998 scan of the rush-to-print 1987 edition.) This is the 1992 2nd edition: http://www.amazon.com/gp/reader/0942637577/ref=sib_dp_pt/102-0654802-4263319

    Russell Miller, 'Bare-Faced Messiah' 1987. http://www.xenu.net/archive/books/bfm/bfmconte.htm Cover of the paperback edition:http://number80.co.uk/hubbard.gif

    Brian Ambry, 'Brainwashing Manual Parallels in Scientology', 2001. E-book. http://www.xenu-directory.net/critics/ambry1.html
     
  3. HelluvaHoax!

    HelluvaHoax! Gold Meritorious Sponsor

    Great thread idea, thanks!

    If anyone is seeking the forbidden facts that Scientology doesn't want you to read, we should probably expand this to include scientology's own forbidden scripture that even most of its own parishioners do not know about. Understandably, this quickly becomes an unwieldy and vast ocean of information covered in ESMB and other great websites. But it could be SIMPLY FORMATTED on a thread like this to make it accessible and digestible in small bites.

    For example, if this thread was "Forbidden books & scripture Scientology doesn't want you to read" there could be individual subjects with a brief description and links. Key words like.....

    XENU: The holiest and most confidential Hubbard scripture that Scn warns may cause insanity or death to anyone who reads it without church permission.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xenu
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T7EEOMbBIO8
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u5KsEtCxiLU
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6a50R7r0soM

    FAIR GAME: The Scn scripture that authorizes and compels Scientologists to destroy critics by lying, cheating, stealing their property, etc.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fair_Game_(Scientology)
    http://www.xenu.net/fairgame-e.html
    etc...


    What I would suggest is that this great thread be used as a virtual WORKSHOP and clearinghouse (so to speak, lol) to compile and format an index and REFERENCE TOOL that could, perhaps, be memorialized when it's well-seasoned (later) in a sticky thread that gives curious readers a direct guide to Scientology's monstrous secret doctrines and whistleblower's exposes thereof.

    It might take months of assembling the contributions of many to bring it up to speed, but in the future such a reference tool could be linked and sent to countless people via email.

    I hope I am not making this sound overcomplicated, because at its core it is a SIMPLE TOOL that allows truth-seekers to scan and click a multitude of Scientology's forbidden world, without having to do the months or years-long searching that all of us have already done.

    Just an idea.

    Humbly tendered and all that, ya know....

    ML,

    Hell Ruin Hoaxard


    EDIT NOTE: OOPS, those Xenu links were supposed to be just click-links, not show up the video. Wasn't sure how to do that. Please advise.
     
  4. Type4_PTS

    Type4_PTS Diamond Invictus SP

    Not to mention the forbidden scriptures that many of its parishioners DO know about.
    Such as the entire LRH library that was f**ked with by the evil typesetters. For the parishioners who already paid at least once for this library it must have been a bit disturbing when the books they ALREADY paid for became forbidden. :duh:

    Of course when DM's successor takes over I'm sure there will be an announcement that DM altered the scriptures and all books and tapes with his revisions will now have to be destroyed. And of course the original unaltered LRH library will now need to be reissued AGAIN. Please see the Reg to pre-order your copies now. :yes:

    Hmmmmmm, my post was probably something of a derail. :nervous:
    Getting back to the purpose of the thread, here's a couple more books that Scientology doesn't want you to read:

    Combatting Cult Mind Control: The #1 Best-selling Guide to Protection, Rescue, and Recovery from Destructive Cults by Steve Hassan.
    http://www.amazon.com/Combatting-Cu...3113/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1308966274&sr=8-1

    Releasing The Bonds: Empowering People to Think for Themselves, also by Steve Hassan
    http://www.amazon.com/Releasing-Bon...8800/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1308966274&sr=8-2
     
  5. Dilettante

    Dilettante Patron with Honors

    Add;

    Nancy Many (2009), My Billion Year Contract

    Janet Reitman (2011), Inside Scientology

    Amy Scobee (2010), Abuse at the Top

    Jeff Hawkins (2010), Counterfeit Dreams

    Mark Headley (2009), Blown For Good
     
  6. Jump

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  7. TheRealNoUser

    TheRealNoUser Patron with Honors

  8. Infinite

    Infinite Crusader

    Bertrand Russell's "History of Western Philosophy"

    Jack Kerouac's "The Dharma Bums"

    Rudolf Steiner's "Philosophy of Freedom"

    Tom Robbins' "Jitterbug Perfume"

    Kurt Vonnegut's "Slaughterhouse-Five"

    Fyodor Dostoevsky's "Brothers Karamazov"

    Aldous Huxley's "Brave New World"

    Susan Faludi's "Backlash"


    . . . c'mon, lets face it. The only books Scientology doesn't want you to read are books that are not published by Bridge.
     
  9. Lohan2008

    Lohan2008 Gold Meritorious Patron

    Jefferson Hawkins is the story of one man's journey into and out of the world of Scientology. Jeff is the man resposible for making Dianetics the Mega Million dollar best seller.

    His Autobiography can be viewed at:
    www.counterfeitdreams.blogspot.com

    "Blown For Good" by Mark Headley is available at a LOT of public libraries.
     
  10. ClamSource

    ClamSource Patron with Honors

    Jokes aside, has the cult actually banned the above? Link?

    Also missing from the list, Orwell's "1984" - http://www.mondopolitico.com/library/1984/1984.htm
     
  11. guanoloco

    guanoloco As-Wased

    No.
     
  12. guanoloco

    guanoloco As-Wased

    Nice one, Jump! There's a couple there that are "new" as in not mentioned yet.

    (SCIENTOLOGY)


    'Inside Scientology' - By Janet Reitman
    "Inside Scientology is an engrossing, groundbreaking work that brings a welcome sense of fair-mindedness to a subject that is, for many journalists and scholars, too hot to touch. Reitman has accomplished the miracle of adding light without heat."- Lawrence Wright




    'Counterfeit Dreams' - By Jefferson Hawkins
    Scientology presents a glittering public façade... It is an image that Jefferson Hawkins helped to craft in his 35 years as a top marketing executive for the Church of Scientology. Yet behind that façade is a hidden world of physical and mental abuse... Counterfeit Dreams is a must-read for anyone who wants to know the truth about today’s most controversial cult. Read online. New Yorker article.




    'Scientology: Abuse at the Top' - By Amy Scobee
    Amy Scobee tells the eye-opening account of her 27 years inside the Church from innocence at age 14 to her nightmarish experiences in the highest management body at Scientology's secret International Headquarters.
    Hear of the abuses she both witnessed and experienced first hand.




    'Hollywood, Satanism, Scientology, & Suicide' - By Jerry Staton
    "I expose Scientology in this country, because to expose it is to kill it. Scientology is one of those monsters of darkness to whom the light of truth is death." - Jerry Staton
    Jerry Staton is an independent reporter and is also the reporter of the case of adult endangerment mentioned in this article.




    'My Billion Year Contract' - By Nancy Many
    “Nancy Many’s book is the first full-length study to provide insight into how some of Scientology’s techniques and policies may cause or contribute to severe mental health problems among members.”
    - Stephen A. Kent
    Professor, Department of Sociology, Adjunct Professor, Department of Religious Studies, University of Alberta




    'The Complex' - By John Duignan.
    "Writing the book has been a cleansing and often cathartic experience, I can now, with some considerable relief, leave it all behind me and really start to build a new life." We follow his journey through the Church and the painful investigation that leads to his eventual realisation that there is something very wrong at Scientology's core.
    Amazon Ireland




    'Blown for Good' - By Marc Headley.
    "If you want to leave Scientology ... you will not be able to speak to your mother or your children or you family members again… "
    "When you have dozens of people speaking out, it's no longer credible to say they are all malcontents and criminals." - Jeff Hawkins
    Marc Headley audio




    'The Scandal of Scientology' - By Paulette Cooper.
    Quote: "Instead of trying to hide what is going on in their house, they may have to clean it up."
    "I happened upon the hard-to-find Scandal of Scientology by Paulette Cooper. Now I was fascinated, and started collecting everything I could get my eager hands on - magazine articles, newspaper clippings, government files, anything." - Jon Atack
    Amazon | html




    'Bare-Faced Messiah' - By Russell Miller.
    Quote: "Writing for a penny a word is ridiculous. If a man really wants to make a million dollars, the best way would be to start his own religion".
    "... I have reached the conclusion that this application is both mischievous and misconceived and must be dismissed." - Justice Vinelott on legal action prior to publication.




    'A Piece of Blue Sky' - By Jon Atack.
    Quote: "Hubbard found it easy to create schemes to part his new following from their money. One of the first tasks was to arrange "grades" of membership, offering supposedly greater rewards, at increasingly higher prices. Over thirty years later. an associate wryly remembered Hubbard turning to him and confiding, no doubt with a smile, 'Let's sell these people a piece of blue sky.' ".
    Amazon | html




    'The Total Freedom Trap' - By Jon Atack.
    Quote: "An enormous amount of documented evidence demonstrates that Hubbard was not what he claimed to be, and that his subject does not confer the benefits claimed for it. Using profoundly invasive hypnotic techniques, Scientology has managed to inspire the at times fanatical devotion of tens of thousands of previously normal and intelligent people."
    Amazon | html




    'L. Ron Hubbard: Messiah or Madman' - By Bent Corydon.
    Quote: "He used his gift for combining words to exploit something which is truly sacred: Man's hope and quest for values that are greater than the mundane. His 'magical incantations' were words and symbols; combinations of words like 'Total Freedom,' being designed to entice; and 'Church of Scientology'; and 'rehabilitation project force,' designed to deceive."
     
    Last edited: Jun 25, 2011
  13. guanoloco

    guanoloco As-Wased

    Good one, TRNU:

    SEB.zip Contents:
    Bainbridge Stark - To Be Perfectly Clear.pdf
    Bent Corydon - L. Ron Hubbard - Messiah Or Madman.pdf
    Cheryl S Story.pdf
    Cyril Vosper - The Mind Benders.pdf
    Jon Atack - A Piece Of Blue Sky.pdf
    Jon Atack - Total Freedom Trap.pdf
    L. Ron Hubbard Jr - Penthouse Interview.pdf
    LA Times - The Scientology Story.pdf
    LRH - Brainwashing Manual.pdf
    Margery Wakefield - Road To Xenu.pdf
    Margery Wakefield - Testimony.pdf
    Monica Pignotti - My 9 Lives In Scientology.pdf
    New York Times - Scientology Tax-Exempt Status.pdf
    Paulette Cooper - Scandal Of Scientology.pdf
    Raul Lopez Story.pdf
    Russell Miller - Bare Faced Messiah.pdf
    Steven Fishman - Lonesome Squirrel.pdf
    Theta One - My Story.pdf
    Time Magazine - The Cult Of Greed.pdf
    Veritas - Scientology's Great Secret.pdf
    Veritas - The Anonymous Mailings.pdf
    Veritas - The L Ron Hubbard Library.pdf

    Download Links:
    http://www.multiupload.com/HU91BWFNO9
    http://rapidshare.com/files/453248369/SEB.zip
    http://www.megaupload.com/?d=0EZ5TA9R
    http://depositfiles.com/en/files/w1utkudgg
    http://hotfile.com/dl/110829002/e8fb54d/SEB.zip.html

     
  14. guanoloco

    guanoloco As-Wased

  15. MafiaWog

    MafiaWog Patron

    Looks like people got to this thread before I had a chance to ... awesome work, everyone!

    I only saw one mention of Dr. Touretzky's library web site though (maybe there were other mentions and I just didn't see them...)

    http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~dst/Library/

    His site has a number of good critical books on Scientology and/or Hubbard, including The Big Three (The Original Trilogy, so to speak) - Bare Faced Messiah, Messiah or Madman, and A Piece Of Blue Sky (Yes, Paulette Cooper's is on there and was technically "first", but the above three together make for a good, solid background of everything Scn and Hubbard-related.)

    Being a sociology guy, I actually found Bob Penny's "Social Control in Scientology" to be an incredibly well-written work, blending personal experience with great explanations of the sociological mechanisms that go along with it. I found it to be much easier to digest/understand than The Road to Total Freedom, another sociological study by Roy Wallis, and not just because it was a fraction of the size. For a good introduction of the social mechanisms, I highly suggest Penny's work: http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~dst/Library/Shelf/xenu/scs.html

    Keep reading and encouraging others to do the same :)
     
  16. guanoloco

    guanoloco As-Wased

    Here's another book that you can read here.

    Religion Inc., by Stewart Lamont (1986)

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  17. guanoloco

    guanoloco As-Wased

    A New Face of Evil
    Essays by Bob Penny

    from here:

     
  18. guanoloco

    guanoloco As-Wased

    Scientology Auditing and Its Offshoots
    by Robert Kaufman

    from here:

     
  19. guanoloco

    guanoloco As-Wased

  20. guanoloco

    guanoloco As-Wased


    From "The Aberee", Dec 1961

    I'M GOING to try to tell something of "Excalibur" - as much as I remember, without having the manuscript by me. If its author, L. Ron Hubbard, told me the truth, I am the first person to read "Excalibur". If it is true that the first half dozen who read it went crazy, then I've been crazy for a long time and I just haven't gotten caught at it. There is some question as to whether there was such a manuscript, but I assure you there was, and probably still is, somewhere. It was a source of considerable disappointment to Ron Hubbard that he didn't get it published.

    I think the time was about mid-1938 - maybe a little earlier, May or June. I had known Ron off and on for six or seven years. We 'd gone thru part of the depression together; he came to New York from his home near Seattle, Wash. I had met his first wife, Polly, and both his parents.

    I 'd read a lot of material by Ron, and didn't especially like it - and he'd read a lot of material by me and didn't particularly like it. I wouldn't say we were very close friends, but I knew him, I guess, as well as anybody. For instance, I knew Ron was a night owl - he'd sleep all day and work all night - and didn't pay any attention to your working hours at all He was apt to call you at 4 o'clock in the morning and hold you in conversation for an hour or more until you felt like you could break his neck. Then he'd pull down all the curtains and sleep all day.

    Ron called me one day - the strange thing about this was that he called during the day - and said, "I want to see you right away. I have written THE book." I never saw anybody so worked up - and he was disturbed over a lot of angles. Apparently, he started to write the book, and had written it without sleeping, eating, or anything else - and had himself literally worked to a frazzle.

    He was so sure he had something "away out and beyond" anything else that he had sent telegrams to several book publishers, telling them that he had written "THE book" and that they were to meet him at Penn Station, and he would discuss it with them and go with whomever gave him the best offer.

    Whether he actually did this or not, I don't know, but it is right in line with something he would do. For example, Ron would send stories to various magazines without a return address (and if you know anything about the publishing business you could know how this would irritate people), and then call up and ask for a report on it.

    He used very heavy paper, which made it very expensive to mail stuff, and he'd mail his manuscripts, not in professional envelopes, but say in a light blue one so that it would stand out from the others.

    Also, he was a little careless occasionally - and his stuff needed editing, but he didn't want anybody to edit it. He had a lot of odd ideas about writing. For example, he didn't feel he had to write a certain stint, so when he would do a manuscript, he wouldn't number the pages - just pile them up beside his typewriter. Thus he couldn't see how much he had done so might kid himself into doing 13 pages when he only intended to do 10.

    He didn't number the pages until he finished, and then he'd number them in pencil.

    Going back to "The Book", I don't remember how long it was. It probably was under 70,000, which is considered an average book.

    He told me what he wanted to do with it - it was going to revolutionize everything: the world, people's attitudes toward one another. He thought it was somewhat more important, and would have a greater impact upon people, than the Bible.

    After I'd read the manuscript, we got to arguing over different titles. I asked him what he wanted to accomplish. He wanted to make changes. He wanted to reach inside people and really work them over, and he had to have a title that would be attractive. I am the one who suggested "Excalibur", because Excalibur was King Arthur's sword. This had a certain mystical meaning that suited Ron, and so "The Book" became "Excalibur".

    As I remember "Excalibur", it started - in the introduction only - with a king who got all his wise men together and told them to prepare and bring to him all the wisdom of the world contained in 500 books. In the course of time, they succeeded, and the king was very pleased and said so. Then he told them to go away and cut down these 500 books into 100 books. It took them a bit longer this time, but they did it and came back and insisted all the wisdom of the world was contained in these 100 books. He said, "Now, do it over again, and bring it to me in one book."

    This was quite a trick, but they did it, and came back some years later and they had, indeed, reduced all the wisdom of the world into one book.

    Then he really gave them an assignment. He said, "Now go away and bring to me all the wisdom of the world in one word."

    What was the one word? I don 't know how many times we argued, Ron and I, to discover what this one word was. It may have been the creative fiat, it might have just been the word "Be", it might have been the word "Survive". I don't think we ever settled it. But the book "Excalibur" from there on had to do with survival.

    I'll try to remember some of it, chapter by chapter, and to explain why it was so squirmy. For example, he started with the very first life - the very first cells - how they struggled for survival - how they tried to be and be "it" the whole time. I'm order to do it, gradually thru the ages they associated with other cells, one with another, and they reached the place where they could divide so they would become bigger. This is strictly science as far as it's gone.

    After awhile, this conglomeration of cells that would reach down a stream of warm water, would bend its way back in order to catch more - it would extend across the stream, or across a little rill or something like that - and all the time it was gaining more sensitivity and ways of the world in which it finds itself. It finds out that by working together, it can accomplish a great deal more: it can find more to eat - it can eat more and grow faster. So the idea is to survive and reproduce - and this is what the early cell does.

    He'd begin to picture the ocean and the seas and ponds as having the life cells growing on them like scum. These are ourselves, our beginnings, our own beginnings because in the womb we start in this very way.

    Away back then, we began to develop motives for things. Now, it is seldom that what we tell somebody our motive is, is the real one - and this is where you start to squirm. Somebody will say, "Well, I'd like to do a certain thing," "I would like to do this with you," or something or other, and you look at this person and realize, "I wonder why he's doing that." And you look into yourself and think if you were doing that, what would your motive be and whether you would hide it. You think that perhaps he's hiding his real motive and trying to get you to do something because he's giving you to understand that his motive is thus and so because that appeals to your vanity - and of course this makes you look at yourself to see about this business of vanity - and why you 're likely to do that. All the time, looking at this other person, you can see squirmy things in him. You can see squirmy things in him that make him look like an entity peering at you thru gauze, or around a corner. You don 't see all of him. He's like the iceberg that's seven-eighths submerged - you can' t tell anything about him.

    As these things are pointed out to you by Ron in the first chapter, or thereabouts, you begin to see that the cells in any body that you're looking at are all endowed with this ability to survive - a determination to survive - and with motives to survive that are sometimes extremely questionable. When you look at a person, the lips may say one thing, the eyes may say something else, or nothing, and the flesh may say something entirely different. Literally, your right hand doesn't know what your left hand is doing. You shake hands, and this is a friendly gesture, but behind your back you may be holding a knife to plunge into him and he may be holding one for you. You can't tell just by looking at people. One of the things Ron intended to do with "Excalibur" was to make it possible to see and look into this, Other things I remember is Ron's explanation as to why there is no such thing as a crowd - that a group of people actually still consisted of individuals - but a crowd could get out of hand and do things other people wouldn't. He showed how that could happen by explaining the relationship of people to each other in the same way that he explained the relation of cells to each other before they were people away back when life was developing into different shapes. He would take two persons, for example, and put them side by side, and show how the two of them were both less and more than one person, and yet each one was an individual. Each individual could think of himself as being individual, but being somewhat "crutched", as it were, or held up by the other person. These two people were very wary of each other, like a couple of bantam roosters running around waiting to get in a thrust, but they knew that they needed each other, and each one felt that he needed the other more and that he didn't wish to be taken advantage of, and so there was always this pulling and hauling between two people that kept them at razor's edge all the time.

    Each one, to some extent, gradually - a little bit at a time - gave away some of his sovereignty to the other. In other words, he let the other fellow lean, provided the other fellow would let him lean, and the two people became somewhat less than they would have been if they had stayed apart. The relationship between the two people became something that would really get you.

    Then he moved in with these two people a third person - could be of the same sex - and you still have all the difficulties, all the problems, and all the squirminess - the questioning as to motive and everything, and wondering why, for example, three males would get together, or three women. If you have a person of the other sex come in on two who were together, you begin to see where the problems are. Of course, he went into this business of sexual attraction to a considerable extent in a way that just made you wonder whether or not your attitude toward sex was reasonable or wrong, whether it was a horrible thing or a beautiful thing spiritual or whatever. I think perhaps it would make you think about it to the point where you'd be almost afraid to perpetrate the act of sex, even with someone you loved tremendously.

    Probably the part of the book that has stuck with me the most thru this period of time was the story of the lynch mob going to the prison to take out somebody to be lynched. He puts you with the person who is waiting to be lynched. The warden comes and looks at the person and says, "Well, they're coming for you, Bud. I don't know whether I'm going to be able to stop them, but I'll tell you one thing, it's not going to cost me my life to do it. If they come in and get you, they'll get you." The warden just looked and sort of gloated over the person who couldn't get away. He enjoyed the sadistic feeling of seeing a person who was bound and hog-tied and couldn't get away. He goes on with this to the place where you were both the warden and the person in the cell, and you really get to feel pretty terrible for everybody connected with it.

    Then you take a look at the stiff-legged march of the lynch mob.

    This is something I'll never forget. I don't remember a single word Ron used, but he started back from there with showing how a lynch mob started - somebody got up and said something, and somebody pulled others together - and as soon as they were together, the person who had started it might or might not lead, but the chances were that he would vanish into the mob that he had started in order not to be responsible. Each person knew that very dreadful things were going to be done, but he scarcely would be responsible. He would be there but he wouldn't actually do much taking part in it.

    Each one felt he was going along for the ride, so to speak, but he walks just as stiff-legged as the other fellow.

    Ron has them marching down the street at night, blazing torches to show the way. And when the mutter, or the growl, of this crowd comes to you, it's something that just simply makes the shivers move up your back from your heels to the top of your head. It really ate into you. Not one of these persons was real if you looked at him from the outside as an observer, yet when he'd take you into the heart of each one, you'd find each person going along because the others were going to do it, and he had to go and see.

    If you would go into each person's mind this way, you'd find each had exactly the same idea. Yet they were moved along by something and they went and, I suppose, got the guy out and lynched him. I don't remember whether they did or not - all I remember actually is the march.

    I was so impressed with the book I wanted to publish it. I was interested in a small publishing company called Egmont Press. I took it to my associates. I took it to my managing editor, who sat down and started to glance thru it. When he realized he couldn't get any place by thumbing thru it, he went back and read a little of it. I could see a strange look come into his face as he read it. Then he passed it on to a reader, and after awhile, there were several people involved in it, and it was being passed, page by page, to others, and they were having all kinds of results. It was a squirmy thing - and I watched it. I watched, in fact, until that manuscript was scattered all over East 41st Street in New York.

    The upshot of it was that they were afraid to publish it. Ron was angry, and threatened: "You will publish this book and I will have a half-interest in the company that publishes it or we'll know the reason why." But it never came to that. Ron did something that he's frequently done: he went sour on the idea and went back to Seattle I don't believe "Excalibur" ever would have sent anybody insane - altho you can't be sure. I have the feeling that, unquestionably, if "Excalibur" were in the hands of every person in the world, the world would be that many times different than it is right now. But whether it would make it worse or better, I have no way of knowing.

    Some persons are so intent in looking "over the border", they can't see the boredom.
     
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