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Discussion in 'North America' started by Pooks, Jan 21, 2016.
Don't think it will happen. That's all I will say.
Man, I had dreams for years. Always the same story. I was suddenly somehow back in the org. I couldn't believe that I went back after all the emotional energy it took to leave the first time. And I really felt bad that my new wife and family had to deal with me working all day and then going to the org at night. But I didn't feel that I had the energy to leave again.
Eventually though, the dreams progressed to the point where I did plan on leaving again. And then eventually I did leave again in my dreams. And what do you know, the dreams pretty much stopped after that. It's like my mind had to relive it to make sure it wouldn't happen again. Occasionally I still have a dream that I'm in some situation with a bunch of org staff, but it's not like I'm actually back on staff and stuck there again. They are just people who I used to know who appear in my dreams as a group.
I feel bad for you guys. I haven't had a dream about anything Scientology since I left. Also I never had dreams about it when I was in. Not really dream worthy material.
I had dreams of being in for about 20 years. Always the same BS about frenetic need to do something. Actually, reading this stuff made me realize that I don't have them anymore.
And thank god for that side door by the men's bathroom.
What a nutty idea. Holding people back from fleeing a reg cycle or making a letters quota or some other ridiculous and meaningless effort.
Feels great to be out.
For those who might have missed it, Boston was featured in Mike Rinder's blog a few days ago.
I heard a lot of stories about Alex Siberski and his pentchant for throwing knives. Staff members being shoved against the wall was a common occurrence. St. Hill size came with a price that most wouldn't want to pay.
Hotel Alexandra to become boutique hotel
Saw this article in today's Boston Globe:
Looks like it'll actually become a hotel again with a much taller attached building in the vacant lot to its left and behind. (See artists renderings in article.) Haven't been able to find what price the Boston org. (or Miscavage) sold it for.
Drove by 448 this afternoon. It's all wrapped up and scaffolded. Looks like some pretty serious renovations going on. I thought it was already all converted to condos. Maybe this is just an external fix up?
Older structures do not usually have a lot of insulation in them and I have seen many of these operations adding and external wrap of insulation. It can make a lot of sense with respect to internal climate control costs. Perhaps that is what is being done?
I don't think you'd wrap a brick building up for insulation. I suspect they are cleaning and repointing the brick work.
It could be due as it was done in 93-94
As I recall, John Eberhard was
in the GO during the early 80's.
A fine drummer and also composed.
I remember he played the drums,
with another drummer Peter Corona
(Div 6 Reg) backing Chick Corea when
he visited to do an event. I remember
the two drummers accompanied Chick
playing Miles' ALL BLUES. I forget the
trumpeter but there were other players
of quality on stage including Ric Poulin
(a fine keyboardist/guitar/singer).
Though not on that stage; Ric was
then married to a very fine singer:
Judy Poulin. They worked in a band
together. She had a great voice.
Incidentally, at that event, Chick stip-
ulated that guests to the event, who
were non-scientologist were NOT to be
regged before, during or after the event.
He was very sensitive about that and of
course, he had reason to be.
It is true that there was a LOT, ALOT
of musical talent at the org during this
time. It was everywhere. Alan Kleb,
Dave Scimemi RIP and others. At night,
players would get together down
there and rip. Dave and Kleb were
keyboardists and killer.
This was during the Joanie Gambino reign.
Lorraine was (Flag Rep) and Bob Baritz
(Div 4/Class V) were there at the time
along with the Fords. Lonnie was TTC
and then went on to Class IV. Rich
Gambino was down at the Bookstore.
Heather Black came through the Div 6
lines at this time, along with many,
many others. She went on to marry
Lonnie and became Heather Landry.
Chip Payson was chaplain, who worked
for the Pub Sec: Sherry... something.
I cannot remember her maiden name
but Chip later married Sherry and she
became Sherry Payson. Amy Grant was
her reg along with Peter Corona, who
was the Public Reg. Paula Cadman was
also part of Div 6, who helped to process
the routing line reading OCAs.
Ron Savelo delivered (fine sup) Div 6 courses
at the time, with Carl Bredemeier. Fran
was Carl's wife. I believe she became
staff, as well, later on.
During this time, many future Org staff
came through this particular Div 6. Many
went on to higher positions and orgs.
Michelle (forget her maiden name) came
through this line and later became
Michelle Savelo. Not sure what she
later did. Paul Ledoux, Kelley Lott - who
became Paul's wife later. Paul went on
to become the EO. Angus was there with
his wife, upstairs. Cary Goulston, Paul
Coleman RIP came through this line
incidentally. Paul Bradford was there
at the time. I believe he was then a
router along with Cary.
Tech had Ricky Furbush delivering (sup).
He was a great sup. I remember that
Lonnie was TTC at the time and would
later complete his Class IV and audit. It
was later that he would marry Heather,
who came through this Div 6 and would
later go onto becoming ED.
Joe Nucci (Qual Sec), I believe. Bobby Evers
(Word Clearer). Dave Scimemi (Auditor) and
there many others, already mentioned in
this thread earlier. I know I am forgetting
a lot of people.
Perry Yeldman was mentioned. He was
also a musician (bass) and played in a
band with Ric Poulin and Judy Poulin
(then Ric's wife). The alleged transgression
sounds pretty sad, indeed. Perry's first
wife, Robin, died of a brain aneurysm
not long after this time period. Terrible
tragedy. She was a sound engineer for
Ric's band. Who would've guessed? He
was not on staff during this time.
Gerry Mazzarella was on lines during this
time. Nothing but respect for him and his
wife. Last I heard, he was very ill. I am not
sure of the nature of the illness. Learned
Bircher and informed. This is a long time
ago but I think he is still on lines there. I
recall he lost a son tragically in a freak gun
accident. It was horrid.
I remember Carlos Adamson. I remember
him coming in for a tape, here and there,
in Div 6. Had no idea what he would do
later. A real character.
Someone asked about Peter Corona. I know
about him. He was a 5-Year SO but was
Comm-Ev declared. It was a 2D event and
a lawsuit threatened by a family (mob).
I think he was forced to leave (then Div 6
Sec); he then worked in Cambridge. Later
played drums for the Poulin band finally
leaving the Boston area for the financial
exchanges in Chicago. He would later go
on to meet Mike Bennitt there - then, a
Financial operator. Bennitt's story is out
there, most likely.
Peter developed rare tumors in his hip
resulting with amputation of his leg/half-
pelvis. Tragic. He lived. He had married
the sister of Sallee Slagle (dancer/instructor).
She married Duncan Lorian, who is a skilled
musicologist. Both Sallee and Duncan are
on lines, I believe.
Elaine Merkel came through this Div 6. She
would go on to do other things at the Org.
Very enthusiastic girl.
All these people that came through these
Div 6 lines were bright people and if they
had their original intentions encouraged
the right way, like all Scios really, they
would have indeed helped more people
and in the right way.
I am trying to remember as many people
and events as I can but this is a long time
ago and it is hard go back. There were
many public.. There was an expert wood-
worker public person who I am forgetting.
He married a model. I think Milagros was
her name. Maybe someone else here
Anyway, there you have another reference.
I have to say that there is reason why
the Second Dynamic is second and in
this org, there was so much 2D aberration
that it made it impossible to continue to
even try and survive on the rest of them.
Many claimed to operate on the higher
dynamics. They did not. They were stuck
with the rest of us.
The foundational First Dynamic quicksand
that staff had to start/work with and
through, even for some of the very well
intentioned people mentioned; for them
to achieve their goals, all of which, AT
FIRST, were honorable, was virtually
impossible. So sad. This was just Boston.
All over the world, we saw similar events
take place destroying individuals and
families time and time again.
Out First, Out Second... Out Third...
Of course, you know/see the result.
There's a line from a movie that goes
something like this:
"If they knew what they were in for, they
would never have done anything."
I think it might apply but then, who knows
what they are in for in life?
PS: Almost all staff smoked like chimneys.
I mean you could burn down Boston with
the smoke these guys would go through
each day. It was incessant.
Thank you, Patty. Yes. Gary was his
name. Fine chap. Very skilled.
There was another girl in Div 6. Her
name was Nermin B__? She would
also process new public. I believe
she married one of the TTC or
Mike Alla was the HAS. He ran Tech
and was Joannie's left hand. There
was a Phil Frisella, I believe, also
Div 2's reg was her right hand. I am
trying to remember his name, as
well as his wife's, who also came
through this particular Div 6. He
had a mustache. Wore the same
suit. I cannot remember him but
the GI came through him and thus
the reliance. His wife had red hair,
I believe. It might come to me later.
This thread is long and there were
mentions of names that if I jogged,
I might connect with memories of
faces and events.
Corona also FSMed Fernando Gamboa,
who went to Golden Era. Gamboa was
another skilled drummer from NY. His
story is extensive along with his wife's
and is out there.
I do remember Peter Cieslinski (public)
and a nice man. I think he was married
to a Beth? Positive memories, I think.
Everybody seemed to work reception
and the night.
I know I am forgetting people.
We can only hope that people survived
the negative part of their experience
and carried on with some positive.
You brought back lots of memories with this post!
I came in through Boston Org as well, right around the same time as Heather. Peter Corona regged me in Div 6 and Michelle recruited me for staff.
This is me:
A couple of people you mentioned, Angus, and Nermin, I know are out, and I've chatted with them in recent years, after 30+ years of being disconnected.
I probably was the one asking about Peter Corona, and yes, I watched him play drums. He was very good!! I didn't understand why he left Boston Org and was Declared. He didn't fit the image I had of an "SP", like most people who have been SP Declared. Do you know if he's still involved with Scientology at all? Or out?
Also, added to what you wrote above, Lonnie Landry became LRH Comm, Joe Nuccio became Senior C/S for Boston Foundation, and Carlos Adamson worked in Estates.
The Comm Ev and declaration
had to do with the threat of
lawsuit. He was involved with
someone whose family took
aversion to the Scn. I am not
sure if there was something
to do with a particular family's
standing or involvement with
organized crime but evidently
the threat was real. Maybe
Patty knows. It went to GO
is my understanding.
He is not involved with Scn.
To my knowledge, neither is
his wife. Not sure if they had
children. He became involved
in the exchanges and financial
markets like Kevin Ellman of
Todd Rungdren's Utopia (a
great drummer, who became
a CNN real estate market
analyst) - believe it or not. I
have not seen Peter in the
media at all. I think he is
doing private money. Not
sure. I am not even sure he is
operating since the surgeries.
Interesting fact about one of
the firms he worked with
Indosuez (France): WT1 and
the first plane plowed through
their offices in NYC. No surv-
ivors. Of course, the event was
a horror but the fated details
make you wonder because he
attended a High School who
for some reason had 15% or so
of the student body got into
law enforcement and fire pre-
vention etc. When the buildings
came down, it is reported that
this portion of his graduating
class were lost in the event
having gone into buildings to
help those who were trapped.
Talk about strange coincidence
but that is not all.
In PA, his first wife, Susan, (this
was a very short marriage that
was annulled according to file)
who was FSO, was touring and
went missing. When they found
her, she had no memory of who
she was. She left Scn and the
report is that she passed away
from cancer - possibly of a
brain tumor. She attend the
very same high school.
Very ill-fated. The file is huge.
You would be surprised at how
many musicians wind up in the
markets. Many and there are
Nermin was a private person,
as I recall. She could be nice. I
do believe she married an auditor,
who I cannot remember but recall
was very cheerful. In fact, this
Div 6 was a very attractive one.
I think it was part of the appeal
I think that may be all of them:
Sherry, Chip, Amy, Nermin, Paula,
Peter, Carl, Cary, Paul and Ron.
I think that is all of them. (Div6)
I was very familiar with all of them
and then became more aware due
Like the rest of the org, this team
suffered the 1D pressures that bled
into the rest of their lives and
this was a great pressure on them,
the other divisions and the org. We
speak of 2D and usually this connotes
the first dimension of the dynamic
(the romantic liaison) but that is only
half of it. The other half has to do
with the extended family, which also
suffered greatly and this was every-
where in the org(s).
This is the story of organized
thought processes. The fact is that
you have to live a process. You can-
not just read or talk about it. When
it is organized, a power is admin-
istered and this polarization puts
weight on the rest of the body.
This org was/is in Danger and will
always be. Any Affluence that was
recognized what a lie. It was all in
Danger and this is the reason why
statistics rose sharply and declined
sharply. It was always like this and
will likely always be like this.
In the Formula, the first thing to
be addressed are the damaging
actions/inactions done to the
1st D. There is a reason for that.
This was never applied in truth
and again, it bleeds into 2D etc.
This vicious cycle is what occurred
and is occuring there and will
always be the case.
A great 'MISCARRIAGE' took place in
Scn (rhyme) and this destroyed what
was left of it. Boston Org is just like
the others. The stories are the same
These are necessary memories and now,
the present is what we have lived since
but there is a future. There were some
good people there that just were waylaid.
It happens to young people.
Thanks for the posts Sol, I didn't move to Boston until '88 but I know almost every one of those you mentioned.
Didn't know Lonnie was a CL IV, he was LRH Comm when I arrived.
I took Duncan's Music seminar - it was great.
Surprised you didn't mention Joe and Jeanie Scoglio. They were good friends to me.
Now, that you mentioned them, I
do recall the fine couple.
Extraordinary, in fact. Forgive.
Memory. They were on Day Org
mostly and so did not come to
I have no idea what became of
them. Very kind people.
Lorien was/is well thought of.
On Lonnie, I believe that is
correct. I might be in error. It
is possible he was taken from
TTC to fill a post, which was/is
often the case.
During my 7 years there (1979-86) it seemed as though the org was always struggling. While there were some individual weeks that we good, I don't recall any periods where the org seemed affluent. (at least the Foundation org. I'm not as familiar with Boston Day). There may have been periods where the gross income was doing well, but the money was always ripped off by international management and LRH. I was working for about $12.00/week while Hubbard was accumulating hundreds of millions of dollars that he left behind prior to his departure to Target Two.
Nermin was married to Rick Birkenshaw; he was a great photographer, and a real nice guy. But like almost ALL marriages amongst staff at Boston Org they later divorced. The divorce rate amongst those at Boston Org was really off the charts.
Another person in Div 6 (Foundation) who came in around the same time as Heather and myself was Jon De'Vries. He eventually went on to become the CO CMO EUS, then later was in CMOI. Last I heard in recent years he had some post at ASHO, selling books!! But that was several years ago.
And Cary was the CO SMI EUS for some time. From reports I've seen from mission holders, his concept of management was screaming at them on the phone on a regular basis for long periods.
Were you on staff?