I am an ex from Hubbard's days of running the church and when newer exes come out saying DM is the cause of the "bad" things about the church I always try to remind them of the LRH tech and policy that is the genus of DM's batty actions. Nevertheless I have generally held the opinion that the abuses do seem to have got worse during DM's reign, despite Hubbard's overboarding, imprisonments, and his operations "Snow White" and "Freakout", etc. A few days ago I heard an account, which while minor, compared to many abusive practices then and now, was nevertheless quite shocking to me. Just after I had joined Scn in the late 60's, my sister visited the org to see me. She wasn't anti-scn and had actually been instrumental in helping me find out about the subject. She was pretty open-minded about it. She walked into the org and said she'd come to see her brother. Div 6 asked her to do a personality test, which she didn't mind doing then she asked to see me and they said the test just needed to be marked first. She was given an eval and told communication was her ruin. She asked to see me and the reg she had to sign up for the communication course first. She was heavy regged for several hours and told that before she could see me she had to show commitment to Scn and sign up for £200 worth of services - a lot of money back then. She was prevented from seeing me every time she asked. Eventually, in order to see me she compromised and agreed to think about it overnight and would let them know the next day and they finally agreed to let her see me because that was showing some degree of commitment. They let her see me and next day she phoned up the Org and said she wouldn't be doing the courses. To her great credit, she never told me about the duress she had been put under in order to see me. I was so enthusiastic about Scn, that she didn't want to deflate me! In fact she has only told me nearly forty years later!!! A minor story compared to many, but I found it quite shocking to think that Div 6 did such dirty tricks way back then and people who I thought were my friends would put a member of my family under such stress. If I heard such stories from these DM days, I wouldn't be surprised, but I am genuinely surprised that such a thing was done back then in a relatively outer org, far away from Ron's bully activities on the Flagship. So this has set me wondering again as the whether DM's church is more abusive and morally corrupt than Ron's church was. Anyone else got any then stories and now stories, so we can compare the two churches?