Separate names with a comma.
Discussion in 'Reconnecting with Old Friends' started by amethyst, Mar 7, 2010.
anyone work at Delphi from 1975 to 1984?
my father has been at Delphi for most of 30 years. did you go there or work there?
used to work there - did you go to school there?
Thank god, no I did not go to school there. I was sent to FLAG and the Sea ORg when I was to start High school. I was 14 at the time.
Megalomaniac on ESMB is a Delphi OR graduate I think. You might try PMing him
Yup. Attended Delphi, Oregon, 77-81, 86-89, graduated. Been to every Alumni Weekend since 93. Ok, I only made it to the gate in 2009, but, um, that's another story.
Hopefully I remember you.
Please share - did you get turned away?
Hi Marina. Story is here:
I am wondering if I know you.... hmm. Racking brain....
(If you are who I think you are, this could be touchy subject...?) Was your mother there too? Until an accident?
I was never in Delphi. But I was sent there to audit some people.
I knew quite a few people who worked there around that time - that was pretty early on in Delphi's history. If you were there in '75, that was when the whole thing started IIRC. The front of the building may still have been black (before the bricks were put on). I think the "Symposium" happened in '75 or '76 - it was about renewable energy or some such, and Dave Hendry, Martin Samuels, Healy Burnham, Bryce Christman, and of course Alan Larson were around at that time. The room was known as the "Symposium Room" in the early years, but it was remodelled out of existence at some point I think.
I probably knew exsomessenger's dad too, but I can't think of which person he might be - there are quite a few 30-year vets there. I think even Tony Courtemanche is still there (but he doesn't have any kids AFAIK).
I'm still not to the point in my separation from the "Church" where I can use my real name or get too specific about how I knew those people, but if there is anyone in particular who you were wondering "where are they now" or some such, maybe I can help. Or who knows, maybe I knew you, too. I gave the recollections above just to show that I am familiar with the people and the timeframe
I still remember you graduating, I was in the upper school at the time.
I was new to Delphi back then, so you probably don't remember me. You checked me out a couple times though. I always looked up to you and thought you were a cool guy... nice and not aloof like some of the other seniors and grads.
I graduated too but was never scn, so I might not be hanging around here much. Sometimes I feel like ex-scn though. Other people can't really understand, especially about Delphi.
It's BS that they turned you away... you were good to them. Unlike you, I never went back in all these years, and probably never will.
I knew Debbie Johnson and her husband, Brent, at the Bellevue Mission before they took the kids to Oregon. Debbie worked at Delphi, may still. Their daughter Nicki and my daughter are good friends but I haven't seen Nicki in years.
Welcome Newbies Amethyst and Disco!
Welcome Amethyst and Disco! Glad you could join us, and REALLY glad to hear that you, Disco, never got sucked into the cult of Scientology! Folks here on this board will understand where you are coming from in ways that most other people cannot. I'll bet that you might meet some old friends here and will make some new ones...
This is a good place to talk about your past experiences, as others are curious and interested to learn more about what the Delphi schools are REALLY all about. Surf the threads here and you will find other former Delphites who talk about their own experiences there.
I wonder what factors kept you from ever "joining up" with the COS? How strong was it's influence at the school you attended? I am also a non-Scientologist, but have friends and former friends who were in, and have witnessed it's negative effect on them for most of my life.
Once again, welcome to ESMB!
Heck, if Mac checked you out, it's good enough for me
Thanks for the warm welcome guys.
Sweetness, you ask about being pressured to join scn. For the record, I was never once pressured to join up or purchase CoS services. The staff were forbidden from doing this. It makes sense for them, as they're trying to get the sale for themselves and not piss off any parents. The scn students were mostly of the wealthy public 2nd gen variety, and were openly derisive of the hard-sell reging techniques they encountered from SO types outside of school. Nobody likes that crap. I found the staff and students to be the nicest and best intentioned sort of people you're likely to meet, with few exceptions.
Delphi did not offer any auditing or any of the same courses you can get at a real org. They have their own course materials, created on site, some of which are based on licensed LRH stuff (study tech, TRs, WTH, ethics, drug and psych propaganda, etc.). Non-scn students wanting to learn more about scn were told that they would have to go to an org and find out for themselves, which is nigh impossible when you're isolated in rural Oregon. I did have many in-depth conversations with scn students, and of course the lower level books were all over the place. I read everything I could get my hands on because I was very interested in comparative religion at the time. I even read all LRHs perved out third rate sci-fi, lol. Mission Earth . He was a sick, sick man at the end there.
I did have a couple non-scn friends who joined the SO after graduating. I think that like most new Scientologists, they saw a chance to make the world a better place and decided to give it a go. And, like any scn who can't afford it, they had to swallow their pride and put on creepy Uncle Rons favorite fetish costume (In the NAaaY-VEEeeee!). I'm told that one shot up to a high post and then defected after becoming privy to some particularly unsavory unpublished handwritten eyes only LRH policies. I should let this Ex tell their own story, so let me just say: if those docs do indeed exist and were to be leaked, they would blow the lid off the whole thing for good. Anybody here know what I'm talking about?
I think I mainly never joined because I was very individualistic and I already had a good grounding in controlling my own mind before I went to Delphi (thx Dad!). I'm no Zen master, but I could self-hipnotize, meditate, do affirmations, etc. One day during course I inadvertently discovered that I could "beat the box". I had passed a MU and was just noticing it when the word clearer came up and tapped me on the shoulder for a spot check. (Anyone remember Derrick the younger? I didn't realize until years later he was gay as a bag of seahorses, poor thing. Hope he's out now.) Anyhoo, I was pretty zonked, and at the moment I was asked if I had passed any MUs, I happened to be keyed in to a lovely old memory of a perfect day of skiing. Surprise, no needle! I went back and found my own MU and I did it that way from there on out without fail. I'm gonna go out on a limb and guess that this sort of thing is "not ok" in scn, lol. Also, I'm sure I wasn't the only one to graduate Delphi with my #1 priority being to GET LAID as soon as humanly possible.
Ciao for now, and happy new year!
Thanks, Disco, for that nice reply, and for confirming that the e-meter was used on students at Delphi, as part of study tech or whatever else. I'm glad you had a mostly good experience with your schooling there, and the people there. Several people have talked about "beating the meter".
I never joined up for many of the same reasons that you speak of. I think there was a special SO recruitment focus on the kids of relatively wealthy public and/or second generation COS with SO parents.
Hope your successfully "getting laid" was a good experience, too, for both parties!
I can think of several potential candidates for your posting about this: "I'm told that one shot up to a high post and then defected after becoming privy to some particularly unsavory unpublished handwritten eyes only LRH policies. I should let this Ex tell their own story, so let me just say: if those docs do indeed exist and were to be leaked, they would blow the lid off the whole thing for good. Anybody here know what I'm talking about?"
I'm sure others here know much more about these things than I do, but I'll post a couple here in the interest of educating those who may be lurking on this site and have not yet come across this information, or in sparking other's memory about other hidden data lines that we may not yet be aware of.
Just playing a guessing game here, was it:
The sooper secret OT level III space opera materials?
OSA's considering our expression of our civil liberties as "CRIMES" ??
"From: firstname.lastname@example.org (RonIsXenu)
Subject: TRACK YOUR POINTS AGAINST OSA!
Date: 16 Sep 1997 21:39:23 GMT
Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com
This documents how OSA is to track "enemies" via a point system. How many points can YOU rack up against OSA? Post your results! This posting and my others have me well above 20 unhandled "points!"
INVESTIGATIONS SECTION VFPs: 1. A FULLY ESTABLISHED, PRODUCTIVE DSA INVEST SECTION WHICH BRINGS ABOUT THE FAILURE
OF INFLUENCE OF HOSTILE GROUPS OR PERSONS.
2. THE REQUIRED INFORMATION FURNISHED TO GUIDE THE PROGRESS OF SCIENTOLOGY.
1. TOTAL UNHANDLED ATTACKS AND ATTACKERS (GDS)
Ref: Advice updated RE GUARD STAT
Advice 27 March 72 COUNTER ATTACK TACTICS
Advice 28 March 72 INTELLIGENCE PRINCIPLES
This is a guard stat with 0 at the top.
This stat is counted:
1 point for every attacker
1 point if the attack is local
2 points if the attack is regional
4 points if the attack is national
The points remain on the stat until handled.
The category of attacks are listed below:
1. TM infringement, each TM Infringement counted as per the TM Infringers handled stat of Invest. (NOTE: if a report is received of a possible TM Infringer, this must be verfied as inactive within 4 weeks or it gets counted on this stat as a TM Infringer until verified as inactive or until handled.)
2. External Influences - where an org is being influenced by External Influences and this is not handled by OSA. Also each External Influence who has not been handled. This would include any actions done by TM Infringers which affect the org or the field.
3. A suit filed against a Church entity or individual.
4. Any lost suit.
5. A print media hit - a newspaper or magazine story which
is an attack.
6. An attack on the TV by an individual eg. an entheta source who has gotten on a TV talk show to forward an attack, or on a radio show.
7. A TV program that is an attack on the Church.
8. Legislation proposed in any area that hinders our operations in that area.
9. Legislation passed in any area that hinders our
operations in that area.
10. An entheta book published.
11. Any legislative or governmental inquiry initiated into the Church.
12. Any Scientology activity closed down through opposition actions.
13. Government restrictions imposed upon the Church.
14. A legal case not involving the Church but resulting in a judgement that is an attack upon the Church.
15. A civil suit filed on the Church.
16. A civil judgement against the Church
17. A deprogramming attempt on a Scientologist.
18. A penal (criminal) complaint against a Church or a staff member filed.
19. A penal (criminal) complaint against a Church or a
staff member being acted on.
For every attack, the attack goes on the stat with a point value according to whether it is a local, regional or national attack plus the attacker behind the attack goes on as an additional point if not already on the list.
When the actual situation is HANDLED, by terminatedly handling the attacker the points come off the stat (one attacker may be behind a number of attacks and when handled, the accumulated points for the attacks originated from that person would all come off the stat). The
exception would be if an Attacker is verified as being handled yet an outstanding attack still exists in some form, that attack remains on the list until handled (while the Attacker and any handled attacks come off the stat).
Clearly, the Attacker MUST be correctly isolated and named before he can be handled and this stat goes up.
For purposes of calculating the list of UATTACKS to begin with, each DSA Invest Officer should list out the major attacks connected to each of its current attackers going back to the point when they started attacking (in many cases this can be several years or even a decade - for the initial calculation of this stat it is not intended to get into a huge administrative cycle and some approximation of attacks
based on existing file data may be necessary). Each attack will have to be classified as to whether it was a local, regional or national attack for purposes of calculating the stat.
Each DSA Invest Officer is to format their UATTACKS breakdown by listing out the names of the attackers with the attacks under each name, with the attack designated as to whether it was a local, regional or national attack. The attacker with the most attacks should go at the top of the list. The purpose of this admin system is to be able to see at a glance who we are getting the most attacks from. If there is more than one attacker behind an attack, then that attack would be placed under the name of the major attacker with the name of the second attacker in parenthesis next to the attack so it is clear that the attack would not come off the list until both attackers are terminatedly handled. If the major attacker gets terminatedly handled, the attack would then be placed under the name of the second attacker.
If there are attacks for which there are no known attackers, these are placed at the end of the list until the attackers behind them are known.
Following is an example to illustrate this:
1) JOE BLOGS = 1 POINT
A) LA TIMES ENTHETA ARTICLE 15 JAN 1980 - REGIONAL
= 2 POINTS
B) ENTHETA TV APPEARANCE 1 MAY 1982 - LOCAL = 1 POINT
C) ENTHETA BOOK "CULTS" 1984 (FRED FRAME ALSO BEHIND
IT) - DISTRIBUTED NATIONALLY = 4 POINTS
Subtotal = 8 POINTS
2) FRED FRAME = 1 POINT
A) ENTHETA LECTURE BOSTON UNIV 15 DEC 1983 - LOCAL =
B) DEPRO ATTEMPT ON SUE SMITH MARCH 1984 - LOCAL = 1
C) 14 MEDIA ATTACKS 1976-1980 - ALL REGIONAL = 28
Subtotal = 31
ATTACKS WITH NO KNOWN ATTACKERS:
A) 12 JUNE 1981 RAID ON MISSION - LOCAL = 1 point
B) JULY 1987 ATTEMPTED DEPROGRAMMING ON BILL SMITH -
LOCAL = 1 POINT
Subtotal = 2
Once formatted as per the above, each DSA Invest Officer should forward this breakdown to the OSA Cont where a master Continental list of UATTACKS will also be kept and updated. Each cont should have a break down the UATTACKS by the DSA office responsible for handling each attack/attacker.
2. NUMBER OF ATTACKS PREDICTED AND REPORTED PLUS WHOS
FOUND BY APPROVED ESTIMATE OR EVAL. (GDS)
Ref: Dispatch RE: NEW STAT
OSA NW ORDER 42 INTELLIGENCE, ITS ROLE
OSA NW ORDER 35 INTELLIGENCE, ESTIMATIONS
HCO PL 17 FEB 66 PUBLIC INVESTIGATION SECTION
Advice 28 March 72 INTELLIGENCE PRINCIPLES
This stat is a weekly point value for the total number of threatened attacks found by Defensive minus points for any unpredicted attack or any attack which has been predicted which then goes unhandled and occurs despite the prediction. The stat is not accumulative. The points are valued as follows:
Local Attack - 1 point
Regional Attack - 5 points
National Attack - 10 points
An unpredicted attack, or unhandled predicted attack counts minus 10 times the above point value.
An attack is defined per the definitions of an attack as covered under the UATTACKS statistic.
A bonus of 10 points is given for any Who found by AVC approved evaluation and 5 points for a Who found by approved estimate.
As can be seen, for a prediction to be viable it must be predicted in sufficient time to handle the matter before it becomes a full blown attack and a handling must be worked out and exchanged. The actual handling may be executed by Support Unit, Staff Security Sub-Unit, HCO, Dept of I&R, Legal Off or PR Off, but the Defensive Unit is responsible for ensuring that the prediction product is actually of quality and exchangeable and utilized to beneficial result of preventing the attack.
To be counted, the prediction must be reported in writing in some manner to the proper publics who should know and/or act on the data (which reporting may even be in the form of a stat breakdown if it is clearly communicated in an exchangeable manner with sufficient time, place, form and event to be understood.)
The stat reflects external prediction as well as internal prediction lines.
Internal prediction activities must be aligned with the purpose and functions of the Office of Special Affairs and Departments of Special Affairs, which are external facing units. It is the Staff Security Sub-Unit that monitors the prediction and handling of matters which interface between internal and external. The Department of Special Affairs is interested in matters which if not handled could result in
external attacks, different from security situations which are simply an HCO matter - for example a PTS Type A situation which just needs to get a standard handling (and would concern us only if there are enemy connections or indicators of something that will turn into an external attack unless handled); whereas a PTS C found on lines would of course be of interest to us. Valid Staff Security matters include such things as detection and handling of enemy infiltration; detection and handling of the source of external influences preying on the backs of orgs, etc.
Key references on Staff Security functions and duties and areas of prediction activity which would validly be represented on the WHOATTACKSF stat, and which deliniate matters which are the hat and function of HCOs are:
SPD 2 OCT 88 ORGANIZATIONAL SECURITY
SO ED 4234 HCO AND OSA COORDINATION ON SECURITY AND
OSA NW ORDER 42 INTELLIGENCE, ITS ROLE
OSA NW ORDER 64 RUNDOWN ON INTELLIGENCE
HCO PL 21 APRIL 70 FIELD ETHICS
3. NUMBER OF OUTSTANDING THREATS (GUARD STAT)
Ref: Advice 16 Feb 82, NEW STAT
This stat is a guard stat and is the total outstanding threats. This would cover any predicted attack about which information has been received. Once the threat is handled it comes off the stat.
4. NUMBER OF OUTSTANDING SECURITY THREATS (GUARD STAT)
Ref: Advice 16 Feb 82, NEW STAT
This stat measures the total amount of outstanding security threats and risks and is an upside down graph with zero at the top. A security situation for OSA/DSA is as defined under the WHOATTACKS Found stat.
5. NUMBER OF THREATS SEEN, THREATENED OR REPORTED
Ref: Advice 16 Feb 82, NEW STAT
Per the above listed advice, this stat shows the amount of security threats that are found and reported. A security situation for OSA/DSA is as defined under the WHOATTACKS Found stat.
6. NUMBER OF THREATS HANDLED
Per the above listed advice, this stat shows the amount of threats that are handled.
7. COMPLAINTS ACTED UPON
Ref: HCO PL 17 Feb 66 PUBLIC INVESTIGATION SECTION:
This stats measures the number of complaints against attackers that were acted upon by authorities.
This is defined as the number of complaints filed with anyone who is in a position of authority and acts upon the complaint and thus mpinges on an attacker (e.g. judicial, governmental, civil, employer, landlord, etc). Each time the complaint is acted on counts 1. Not cumulative.
8. NUMBER OF OPPOSITION ADVANTAGES LOST
Ref: HCO PL 16 Feb 69 Iss II, BATTLE TACTICS
This stat measures the advantages of the opposition which were lost due to the application of standard Invest tech. Total number of advantages lost by the opposition that week as a direct or indirect result of Invest actions. See the above HCO PL for a description of the type of activities that would count on this stat. Not cumulative.
OPPOSITION: A person or group actively opposing the Founder, Scientology or the Church of Scientology or its principles or activities and/or threatening its survival or expansion.
9. DOCUMENTED EVIDENCE OBTAINED AND USED
Ref: HCO PL 17 Feb 66 PUBLIC INVESTIGATION SECTION
Advice 8 June 73 INTELLIGENCE, ITS ROLE
This stat measures the evidence that has been obtained against attackers and was put to use. Documented evidence obtained that indicates a crime or useable evidence regarding a Who or an opposition terminal, and is deemed useable by counsel, PR or Legal.
This stat is counted on the basis of one point for each evidence of a crime documented deemed useable by counsel, PR or Legal.
A 5 point bonus is given for each piece of documented evidence that is USED by counsel, PR or Legal. (If the data contained in the documented evidence is used, it can
still be counted as a DOCEV, whether the actual document is used or only the data.) Not cumulative."
Or maybe it was Flag Policy #1 written in 1967, advocating the elimination of the world bank and blaming the world's problems on Jews everywhere?
Or maybe it was just the "auditing procedure" R2-45 hit list?
Wow, I hadn't heard the Jew thing, thanks for posting.
You're welcome! Keep up the good research, everyone!
The truth about Scientology needs to see the light of day.
It was something more like this. It stated the goal of the SO was to clear the planet and declare plus exteriorize all those who couldn't be cleared. IOW, total global domination through mass murder. IOW, terrorism on the grandest possible scale. In the founders handwriting.
As far as the Jewish thing goes, wow. There have been quite a few secular and scn Jews at Delphi. Even one staff used to wear a yarmulke on holidays.
It shouldn't be too surprising. Among other things the *2nd* half of 'Battlefield Earth' is about the eevil galactic bankers who are *really* the force behind the stoogey Psychlos.
Nobody seems to be in a rush to make the 2nd Half though