Did Hubbard actually order a hit?

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  1. GreyWolf

    GreyWolf Gold Meritorious Patron

  2. Moosejewels

    Moosejewels Patron Meritorious

    This is oversimplification, but he wouldn't have to
    actually give the order. As per policy , his acolytes
    would feel obligated, based on their perceived
    threats to the leader / church to eliminate the
    threat in whatever manner necessary.
  3. Jump

    Jump Operating teatime

    That may be so, but the OP leaves no doubt that Hubbard ordered the murder of 'SPs' just as he ordered the murder of 'low toned people'.
  4. Type4_PTS

    Type4_PTS Diamond Invictus SP

    It's OK though as it was all for the greatest good.

    Besides, it is in accordance with policy as well. :whistling:

  5. TheRealNoUser

    TheRealNoUser Patron with Honors

    Wouldn't it be considered "low-toned" in itself to order a hit on "low-toned people"?

    So maybe ol' Hubs was trying get himself whacked by exhibiting such a low tone, which is tantamount to suicide - but using a via ... and that suggests non-confront - which means his TR's are out, and if those are out ... blah blah blah etc etc etc
  6. SpecialFrog

    SpecialFrog Silver Meritorious Patron

    "Will no one rid me of this turbulent [STRIKE]priest[/STRIKE] SP?"
  7. HelluvaHoax!

    HelluvaHoax! Gold Meritorious Sponsor


    Did Hubbard actually order a hit?

    ANSWER: No. He did however assist people to achieve their spiritual potential by 8C-ing them to exteriorize from their encumbrance.

    EXAMPLE: The time when Womankind's Greatest Friend tried to help Paulette Cooper to exteriorize, or at least take responsibility for exteriorizing herself (suicide).

    WHAT CAN BE LEARNED: That Hubbard was a messianic savior who adhered to the highest ethical standards and creeds, never fearing to hurt another in a just cause. Hubbard taught us that destroying or murdering whistleblowers is a godsend when compared to the expense and DevT of stupid little wogs trying to trap an OT in their stupid little justice system with stupid little claims of attempted murder.
  8. Veda

    Veda Sponsor

    According to Hubbard, bad things happen to those who oppose or try to "enturbulate" Scientology.

    In 1959, Hubbard wrote in the 'HCO Manual of Justice':

    "Dianetics and Scientology are self-protecting sciences. If one attacks them one attacks all the know-how of the mind. It caves in the bank. It's gruesome sometimes.

    "At this instance there are men hiding in terror on Earth because they found out what they were attacking. There are men dead because they attacked us - for instance Dr. Joe Winter [wrote Introduction to 'DMSMH', and the book, 'A Doctor's Report on Dianetics' with an Introduction by Fritz Perls]. He simply realized what he did and died. There are men bankrupt because they attacked us - [Don] Purcell, Ridgeway, [publisher of 'DMSMH'] Ceppos."

    While providing humanitarian service to all Mankind, Scientologists were told, Hubbard was continually fending off attacks from wogs, SPs, psychs, commies, and the 12 bankers. Apparently, Hubbard even believed that he had been attacked by orders of John F. Kennedy.

    In the early 1960s, Hubbard had come to regard John F. Kennedy as an enemy. He blamed Kennedy for the American FDA/e-meter troubles and referenced his assassination of 28 months earlier in the broadly publicized 1966 PR piece, 'What is Greatness?'. 'What is Greatness?', meant for a broad "wog" audience, extolled "love and forgiveness," and was published around the same time that the (non-remimeo/later 'confidential') 'Fair Game Law'-applying Guardian's Office was quietly established (see bottom of this post for a look at the original Fair game Law). Even in this PR piece, meant to identify Scientology with "love," Hubbard couldn't resist gloating over the assassination of John F. Kennedy:

    "Were you to approach many ruling heads of state in the world and offer to set them free (as only a Scientologist can) they would go berserk, cry up their private police and generally cause unpleasantness. Indeed, one did - he was later assassinated by no desire of ours but because of the incompetence of his own followers about him. He could have tried to use Scientology. Instead, he promptly tried to shoot it down by ordering raids and various berserk actions on Scientology organizations. That he was then shot had nothing to do with us, but only demonstrated how incompetent and how mortal he really was."

    And some more inspirational words...

    From 'Keeping Scientology Working', 7 February, 1965:

    "We're not playing some minor game in Scientology. It isn't something cute to do for lack of something better.

    "The whole agonized future of this planet, every Man, Woman, and Child on it, and your own destiny for the next endless trillions of years depend on what you do here and now with and in Scientology :unsure::ohmy::yes:

    "This is a deadly serious activity. And if we miss getting out of the trap now, we may never again have another chance :spacecraft:. [See 'Implantology'] Remember, this is our first chance in all the endless trillions of years of the past . Don't muff it now because it seems unpleasant or unsocial to do Seven [Hammering out of existence incorrect technology], Eight..."

    Just prior to the appearance of 'KSW', was published the piece 'My Philosophy', in which L. Ron Hubbard told Scientologists:

    "Blinded with injured optic nerves, and lame with physical injuries to the hip and back, at the end of World War II, I faced an almost nonexistent future. My service record stated: 'This officer has no neurotic or psychotic tendencies whatsoever', but also stated, 'permanently disabled physically'.

    "And so there came a further blow. I was abandoned by family and friends :violin: as a supposedly hopeless cripple and probable burden on them for the rest of my days."

    And, on 7 March 1965, exactly one month after the appearance of 'KSW' was published 'Suppressive Acts, Suppression of Scientology and Scientologists, the Fair Game Law':

    "A Suppressive person or group becomes 'fair game'.

    "By Fair Game is meant, without rights for self, possessions or position, and no Scientologist may be brought before a Committee of Evidence or punished for any action taken against a Suppressive Person or group...

    "Suppressive acts are defined as actions or omissions undertaken to knowingly suppress, reduce, or impede Scientology or Scientologists.

    "Such suppressive acts include public disavowal of Scientology... public statements against Scientology.

    "[Suppressive acts also include] 1st degree murder, arson, disintegration of persons or belongings not [emphasis added] guilty of suppressive acts.

    "[Suppressive Persons] place themselves beyond any consideration for their feelings :nazi:or well being...

    "The homes, property, places, and abodes of persons who have been active in attempting to suppress Scientology... are all beyond any protection."
  9. GreyWolf

    GreyWolf Gold Meritorious Patron

    If you are talking about me, I will take that as a win.
  10. Ogsonofgroo

    Ogsonofgroo Crusader

    As far as I am concerned, anyone who understands what a twisted piece of work Hubbard was,a greedy, lying, stoned-out psychopath, will understand that, if he could get away with it, would stomp anyone in his path. This was alluded to through Nib's own admissions many years ago, though recanted due to financial pressure etc., still carries weight when one realises that shutting people up also means denying things that the cult wishes not to be seen or hidden.
    It is the way it worked, and carries on today, hidden, implied, the use of fear and threats, the rape of minds, the use of personal info, all of the fun stuff, is not dead within the corporate structure of the CoS, and anyone saying otherwise is a deluded fool or knows the real truth.
    Mysterious deaths? Holey-moley there are far too many culty related ones to just be bad luck blah-blah. I am sure the internet has saved many just because it ain't so private any more~ just a thought on my behalf.

    Fuck you dead LRon, and all the OSA fools still carrying your stinking torch burning the fuels of other's shattered dreams.

    Arghhhhhhh, :angry::angry:
  11. It's not like Hubbard was playing with a full deck, so ordering a hit wouldn't be too surprising,

    but more than likely the fuckbag thought he could cause them harm with his delusional thought beams or some of Crowley's silly ass Black Magic.
  12. Gadfly

    Gadfly Crusader


    Hubbard frames it out that since "Scientology IS the basic set of truths of the universe for all time and space forever", and because deep down, at a fundamental level, the "thetan knows" that Scientology IS THE WAY OUT FOR ALL MANKIND, that the "good thetan" will cause inner conflict and mental force, and thus CAVE SELF IN to put a leash on the evil intentions that have resulted by attacking wonderful & good Scientology. But, not quite correct, is it? :no:

    This meant that nobody had to do anything to such people, because their own case would cave them in - per Hubbard's tech they would "pull in" bad things. The Church wouldn't have to do it for them - if Hubbard's descriptions on this topic were actually accurate to any degree - they aren't. :no:

    But then, since that whole schtick of "good thetans will cave themselves in when they attack wonderfully innocent and pure Scientology" is largely BULLSHIT, Hubbard sets up OSA based on extensive LRH policy, and this group MAKES SURE that the "evil SPs" GET THEIR MOTIVATORS! :yes:

    OSA enacts Hubbard's imaginary mechanism of a sort of weird version of "karma" (overt-motivator sequence). I guess Hubbard felt that if the person's own case didn't cave the poor banky guy in and distract him from attacking Scientology (as should happen if Hubbard's "tech data" was correct - but it isn't), then he would make damn sure that OSA would act as the "motivator" (that the believers "know" MUST exist), and they themselves set out to "harm, destroy utterly, ruin, overwhelm and cave-in" all such critics, enemies and SPs. :ohmy:

    The whole "attack and destroy mentality is just so DUMB; it is so last-year and involves taking the notions of 1) the "rugged individual", 2) white anglo-saxon male Christianity's "taking over the world and crushing all who oppose them" - Colonialism) and 3) Darwinian "survival of the fittest", turning up the volume to ELEVEN, and applying it to a GROUP, and thus resulted the "winning attitude of Scientology"! :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap:

    This mentality of attacking is just so spiritually immature, and sets the mold for ALL of Scientology as being horribly IMMATURE emotionally and spiritually (not to mention also mentally). :omg:

    That "contentious and ever-confrontational attack" view is so NOT in alignment with what to me are much HIGHER and really "nobler" aims, such as "let it be", "path of non-resistance", "existing in harmony with all that is", and "compassion".

    Hubbard made a HUGE ERROR in a few of his postulates in a certain regard here. He said that a person should abide by the mores and rules of any group one is a member of. That makes SOME sense. The big and horrendously gross mistake was assigning Scientology as the group. The CORRECT designee would be MANKIND. Or, all life. That is the GROUP that one should aim to remain in harmony with, and NOT some isolated small select small part of the whole (which is what the group known as Scientology is).

    Hubbard was STUCK on the idea of a GROUP - of a third dynamic. He gave it FAR TOO MUCH exaggerated attention, significance, value and meaning. Just look at all the extensive CRAP he wrote in the OEC volumes, Flag Orders, Base Orders, LRH EDs, FEBC, and on and on. He was truly obsessed with "controlling a group and getting it to WIN over everybody else". He seemed to have wanted to design such an "organizational machine" that could and would carry on FOREVER enacting his "postulates". What a depressing idea. :confused2:

    Allegiance should be to your spiritual brothers and sisters - ALL people. Following Hubbard's system of ideas has created people who have "identified with some small human group", and consider that group to be senior to all else in every regard. They put "their group" into an endless and perpetual conflict with a great many other things. THAT is so limiting and spiritually flawed. Within such a framework, higher ideals such as "tolerance", "acceptance", "non-resistance", "harmony", "let it be", "go with the flow", and so much more, are quite impossible.

    Hubbard should have made the group that one is to always treat well as "Mankind", with no qualifications. He thought "too small", and remained forever locked into the THIRD DYNAMIC. That would be an interesting study - Hubbard and his obsession with the importance of the Thrid Dynamic. Yuck! :puke2:
  13. SpecialFrog

    SpecialFrog Silver Meritorious Patron

    Henry II allegedly said that when he wanted Thomas a Beckett killed but didn't want to order it directly.

    An enterprising subject did indeed take up the task.
  14. HelluvaHoax!

    HelluvaHoax! Gold Meritorious Sponsor

    Thought provoking post!

    And also...

    If SP's that attack Scientology are SP's then they are unable to complete a cycle of action. So no worries! They can't destroy Scientology because, just like their No-Case-Gain auditing, they cannot get the "End Phenomena" of vanquishing Scientology.


    Neither can Scientology complete a cycle, because they have had 62 years to end the cycle of critics and anti-scientology sentiments-- and have not been able to do so.


    The SPs' actually are completing the cycle because Scientology is shrinking and their worldwide repute is at a cataclysmic all-time low.

    And the Scientologists keep lecturing everyone about those who cannot complete cycles of action.

    Where are the completed cycles of action Scientologists?

    Where are the Clears?

    Where are the OT's?

    Where is the Cleared Planet?

    Where is the Scientific proof that the tech handles psychomatic illness, mental illness, insanity and criminality?

    Where is the SuperPower Building?

    Where is the Exteriorization Ron bragged about in the early 1950's?

    Oh my, this rant could go on for pages and pages. LOL!

    In conclusion, ladies and gentlemen of the jury...

    It appears "clear" that Scientology has the "anti-social characteristic" of not completing cycles of action in this scenario.

    Otherwise, there would be no protestors or savage attacks from former customers and media. It would be incredibly easy for Scientology to end cycle on SP's stop all these attacks. I might just start a thread on that.....
  15. freethinker

    freethinker Crusader

    It is true that an SP will pull in motivators to do himself in. That would be the motivations of Ron to stop that SP before he ruined the beautiful tech that gave Ron his self styled, rum soaked life-style.

    Ron was telling you all the way that going up the bridge would set you free, and it does.

    As you go up the bridge you are driven so mad that you will take measures to be free.

    Unfortunately for some that is permanently free of existence at all.

    Others are freed from thinking for themselves.

    Others are freed from all those things that Ron told them was the problem, which was living their lives.

    Ron told you that Scientology was the way out, permanently, from life and the cycle of birth and death.

    Ron achieved his freedom, he is no longer bothered by body thetans anymore... and look, he left that legacy for you and me.

    How can anyone complain when Ron told you it was the road out, of existence and everything connected to it.

    Ron gave us the Bridge to Total Freedom, From Living.

    Hip Hip......

  16. Ogsonofgroo

    Ogsonofgroo Crusader


  17. Veda

    Veda Sponsor

    You're mistaken. Behind the scenes, when he wasn't posing in front of the rank and file, Hubbard preferred the materialistic down-to-earth approach. In the confidential 'Intelligence, Its Role', he made it plain that he had little interest in the use of psychical abilities, etc., and instructed as to the superiority of Scientology's Intelligence tech - both spying and covert attack tech - adding:

    "...it has very little to do with the arcane arts. Although our Intelligence tech might seem like black magic to those in primitive [intelligence] services."
  18. Feral

    Feral Rogue male

    Did he order a hit?

    No. He just had a fit of rage and committed it to paper. Not very OT, was it?

    Must have been before he wrote the bulletin, "Prediction and Consequences"
  19. Infinite

    Infinite Crusader

    That's a really interesting point. No where in any of the KSW Standard L Ron Hubbard Scientology admin tech, not even in the confidential stuff that's leaked out, are there instructions on the practical use of Clear / OT powers for the furtherance of Scientology. I mean, has anyone seen a sign in an org or newsletter reading something like:

    It has been decided that
    there will be a meeting of the
    OT Committee
    Members know where and when
  20. Type4_PTS

    Type4_PTS Diamond Invictus SP

    No sign was necessary. We just knew. :biggrin:

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