Did L. Ron Hubbard have a healthy second dynamic?

Discussion in 'Evaluating and Criticising Scientology' started by wogwog, Jun 15, 2018.

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  1. wogwog

    wogwog Patron

    No need to answer the question in the thread title -- we already know that answer is NO.

    But I am getting ready to talk to some Scientologists about this, and I was hoping I could get some advice on how they would answer these questions, given their Scientology indoctrination and the propaganda they are fed like LRH biography materials and OSA dead agent packs:
    • How many wives did he have?
    • How many children did he have?
    • Who was Sara Northrup?
    • Who was Alexis Hubbard?
    • Who was L. Ron Hubbard, Jr. and how was his relationship with his father?
    • Who was Quentin Hubbard and what happened to him?
    • How was his relationship with Mary Sue at the end?
    From Going Clear and A Piece of Blue Sky, I know the truth about these already, but I am interested in how fully indoctrinated Scientologists (many decades in) would attempt to answer these (assuming they actually attempt to, not just go into "SP handling" mode by "attacking the attacker" or avoiding the question).

  2. lotus

    lotus autonomous rebellous


    You stole words out of my fingers.

    Howeer that's a good question since $cientology is based on worshipping it's founder Ron Hubbard as a master of all subjects, including high moreal and ethical conduct in family and sex matters..for which he obvioulsy failed in terms of morality.

    In case of one is in need of enlightement and teachings, he better find another master...
  3. Clay Pigeon

    Clay Pigeon Silver Meritorious Patron

    One should scarcely give any credence either to the opinions of those who would exalt the man nor those who condemn him.


    "First rate people talk about ideas, second rate people talk about things and third rate people talk about people"
  4. I told you I was trouble

    I told you I was trouble Suspended animation

    Lol! I think you forgot to mention the most important one Birdie ... "fourth rate people talk complete shite and try to sell it to first, second and third rate people".

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  5. HelluvaHoax!

    HelluvaHoax! Gold Meritorious Sponsor

    Brilliant. That means one should only give credence to people who are manifestly unable to form an opinion. That would narrow the list down to . . .Scientologists. Because Ron already eliminated all the DevT research and thought necessary to form an opinion by ordering Scientologists to simply adopt his ideal opinions.

    Your post (above) reminds me of that deliciously deluded quote by Hubbard's former butler. Here's commentary from another thread:

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  6. Type4_PTS

    Type4_PTS Diamond Invictus SP

    One doesn't need anyone's opinion when it comes to answering the question in the thread title.

    Anyone but a Hubbard apologist would realize that Hubbard's second dynamic was a disaster by looking at the facts.

    And just several months ago you admitted that you fit the dictionary definition of a Hubbard apologist.

    What a coincidence! :D
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  7. TheOriginalBigBlue

    TheOriginalBigBlue Gold Meritorious Patron

    "Did L. Ron Hubbard have a healthy second dynamic?"

  8. Type4_PTS

    Type4_PTS Diamond Invictus SP

    Back when I was in I completely ignorant with regards to those questions about Hubbard, and I was under such a spell. Had someone asked me questions that seemed to imply anything negative about Hubbard or his life I'd probably write up a KR on them.

    I would imagine that most if not all scientologists have doubts about certain things in Scientology but many who probably think the international management is criminal still love Hubbard. They're still under the spell.

    Bringing up those kinds of things with many Scientologists could be like stepping on the third rail.

    If you're wanting to plant some seeds in them, hoping that they'll WTFU, I would think there are better subjects to bring up.
  9. lotus

    lotus autonomous rebellous

    Hi birdie,

    Saying the LRH was a pathologic liar, had mental illness, was paranoid, thriving for money, greed, sadistic, taking drugs, drinking alcohol , a polygamist, a child kidnaper, a small kids exploiter, a sadistic cruel are not at all condemning him....

    These are true fact telling, (known for being true) in order to straighten the records. period.
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  10. lotus

    lotus autonomous rebellous

    Ohhhhhhhhh youuuuuuuuuuuuuuu

    I would bet your have ever been a *$cientologist :p

    * Scientologist : A $cientologist is someone who sells shit and owns a clipboard.
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  11. ThetanExterior

    ThetanExterior Gold Meritorious Patron

    They might try to answer the questions just for the sake of engaging you in communication but pretty soon they will decide you are looking like an enemy and they will tell you that you need to read the official scientology information on those subjects.
  12. phenomanon

    phenomanon Canyon

    and some people just talk out of their ass. LOL!
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  13. phenomanon

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