Did the President of the IOEAW just insult Christians on behalf of Scientology?

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  1. CommunicatorIC

    CommunicatorIC @IndieScieNews on Twitter

    Did the President of the Islamic Organization of the European Arab World just insult Catholics and other Christians on behalf of the Church of Scientology?

    "[N]ot only those who have Catholic or Christian faith but even other people" -- because "those who have Catholic or Christian faith" especially need Scientology?

    Because "those who have Catholic or Christian faith" need Scientology even more than "other people?"

    But even leaving aside that particular phrasing, a Muslim Iman is going to tell Catholics and other Christians that they "need" Scientology? Seriously?

    http://www.patheos.com/blogs/scient...pean-arab-world-on-the-church-of-scientology/




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    The Scientology Religion site posted a video of Mr. Abdellah Mechnoune, President of the Islamic Organization of the European Arab World, is a strong proponent of interfaith and multiethnic cooperation and understanding. As imam of Turin, Italy, he works to bring together diverse groups and acknowledges that Scientologists “love their neighbor without distinction of skin color or faith.” Of L. Ron Hubbard he says, “We really need his teachings, all of us, not only those who have Catholic or Christian faith but even other people. The Founder of the Church of Scientology has made this program for the whole world.”

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  2. Enthetan

    Enthetan Master of Disaster

    Notice that a Muslim imam is spouting about what Christians need to do, and not saying that Muslims need Scientology.

    The purpose of these "interfaith" groups is to undermine Christianity, and tell Christians about how they need to be more accommodating.
     
  3. CommunicatorIC

    CommunicatorIC @IndieScieNews on Twitter

    Ethnic Assets indicates Imam Abdellah Mechnoune is applying the Islamic concept of Taqiya when he praises Scientology.

    https://twitter.com/EthnicAssets/status/805283127212068865

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    Wikipedia explains the concept Taqiya as follows:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taqiya

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    Taqiya (Arabic: تقیة‎‎ taqiyyah/taqīyah, literally "prudence, fear, caution")[1][2] is an Islamic term referring to precautionary dissimulation or denial of religious belief and practice in the face of persecution.[3][4][1][5] Another term for this concept, kitmān (lit. "action of covering, dissimulation"), has a more specific meaning of dissimulation by silence or omission.[6][7]
    This practice is emphasized in Shia Islam whereby adherents are permitted to conceal their religion when under threat of persecution or compulsion.[3][8] However, it is also permitted in Sunni Islam under certain circumstances.[9][10]
    Taqiyya was initially practiced under duress by some of Muhammad's Companions.[11] Later, it became particularly important for Shias due to their experience as a persecuted religious minority.[8][12] According to Shia doctrine, taqiyya is permissible in situations where there is overwhelming danger of loss of life or property and where no danger to religion would occur thereby.[8] Taqiyya has also been politically legitimised, particularly among Twelver Shias, in order to maintain unity among Muslims and fraternity among the Shia clerics.[13][14]
    Yarden Mariuma writes: "Taqiyya is an Islamic juridical term whose shifting meaning relates to when a Muslim is allowed, under Sharia law, to lie. A concept whose meaning has varied significantly among Islamic sects, scholars, countries, and political regimes, it nevertheless is one of the key terms used by recent anti-Muslim polemicists."[15]

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  4. dchoiceisalwaysrs

    dchoiceisalwaysrs Gold Meritorious Patron

    So who had the first copyright on Taqiya? Was it Mohammed and did el con just squirrel it and call it TR-Lie?
    Is Mr. Abdellah Mechnoune, President of the Islamic Organization of the European Arab World, just another 'useful idiot' safe pointed?
    I thought Hubbard said Scientology organizations would say what the law is and not some imam claiming Sharia is the only valid law to be followed.
    Was hubbard Mohammed in a past life? Or maybe Mohammed was really Xemu? It is all so confusing for an SP or infidel like me.
     
  5. dchoiceisalwaysrs

    dchoiceisalwaysrs Gold Meritorious Patron

    Slow connection duplicate deletion
     
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  6. dchoiceisalwaysrs

    dchoiceisalwaysrs Gold Meritorious Patron

    "He...
    acknowledges that Scientologists “love their neighbor without distinction of skin color or faith.”
    That sounds a lot like a PR line from OSA and certainly not an LRH quote nor in fact a fact as it does not jive with declaring Scientology critics as SP along with " Fair Game" dictate to destroy.

    And, one might consider that the sole purpose of "interfaith" groups is to cohabit peacefully.
    I would say additional purposes 'Trojan horsed' into these groups are to; reduce opposition thus enabling an increase of ' market share' and to through manipulation to remove the other faiths. I believe this is a form of drawing the wagons around to shield the prevarication found in most if not all religions which are founded upon unfounded cultic self appointed Authority.
    Let's gather together in order to have strength and apparent force to shield us from the facts of the real world.
     
  7. Enthetan

    Enthetan Master of Disaster

    The Scientology equivalents are "shore story" and "acceptable truth". In both Islamic and Scn versions, it involves telling a misleading story which preferably is not technically a lie.
     
  8. CommunicatorIC

    CommunicatorIC @IndieScieNews on Twitter

    Patheos is republishing the same basic story under a different title.

    This particular Patheos story is dated December 7, 2016. I wonder if Imam Abdellah Mechnoune is doing tours, promotion and/or FSMing for the Church of Scientology?

    Patheos: Italian Imam Speaks About the Scientology Religion and the Church’s Humanitarian Programs

    http://www.patheos.com/blogs/scientologybeliefs/2016/12/2873/

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    The Founder of the Church of Scientology—he had a vision, from the past into the present. He already knew like a light, I believe, like something spiritual, he knew that there will come a time when people are turning away from faith and much closer to the devil. His teachings are right, are just right, “efficaces” [effective] as the French would say. So we really need his teachings, all of us, not only those who have Catholic or Christian faith but even other people. The Founder of the Church of Scientology has made this program for the whole world.

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  9. PirateAndBum

    PirateAndBum Gold Meritorious Patron

    I don't see it as a slight the Christians & Catholics. He probably thinks that that's the main feeder line of Scn. He's saying it's for everyone. :omg:

    Maybe he's a buddy of Louis Farrakhan?
     
  10. CommunicatorIC

    CommunicatorIC @IndieScieNews on Twitter

    The sentence --

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    So we really need his teachings, all of us, not only those who have Catholic or Christian faith but even other people.

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    -- is insulting to Catholics and other Christians for two reasons.

    First, he is saying that Catholics and Christians "need" the teachings of Scientology, the teachings of Scientology Founder L. Ron Hubbard. "Need?" Seriously? It is insulting to tell someone that their faith, their religion, is insufficient, ,and they "need" the teachings of another faith.

    Can you imagine telling a Christian he "needs" the teachings of Islam? Can you imagine telling a Muslim he "needs" the teachings of Christianity?

    Secondly, the construction "all of us, not only those who have Catholic or Christian faith but even other people" implies that those of the Catholic or Christian fair need the teachings of Scientology MORE than other people. "[N]ot only those who have Catholic or Christian faith" -- who clearly and obviously need the teachings of Scientology and Scientology Founder L. Ron Hubbard -- "but even other people."
     
  11. CommunicatorIC

    CommunicatorIC @IndieScieNews on Twitter

    Now the Scientology website has the video.

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  12. dchoiceisalwaysrs

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  13. PirateAndBum

    PirateAndBum Gold Meritorious Patron

    Well, you can read it that way if you must. It's insulting to "all of us". The guy's a shill for a con. Fuck him.
     
  14. CommunicatorIC

    CommunicatorIC @IndieScieNews on Twitter

    How can Muslim Imam Abdellah Mechnoune endorse Scientology when Scientology Founder L. Ron Hubbard mocked and maligned Islam and Muhammad?

    The Scientology Comparative Theology Page - Scientology and Islam - Hubbard Maligns Islam

    https://www.sweenytod.com/cos/Theology/Theology/#antiislam

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    Hubbard Maligns Islam

    These three quotes occur in succession in Whats Wrong with this Universe: A Working Package for the Auditor, L. Ron Hubbard, 9 Dec 1952. Real Audio [114KB] .wav[560KB]

    Hubbard on the Lodestone

    "..finds this enormous stone hanging suspended in the middle of a room. This is an incident called the Emanator by the way. ...and this thing is by the way the source of the Mohammedan Lodestone that they have hanging down there,..."

    Commentary:

    Hubbard asserts that the stone at Mecca is an artifact of an incident [implant or false memory]. This is consistent with other incidents found in Scientology, for example R6 which is the basis of Christianity.

    Hubbard on Mohammed

    "...that, eh, when Mohammed decided to be a good small-town booster in ah Kansas, Middle-East, or something of the sort."

    Commentary:

    Kansas is a large, flat, semi-arid, sparsely populated state roughly in the center of North America. In this context, Kansas is disparaged as a cultural backwater, seemingly unworthy of notice. By extension, "Kansas, Middle-East" (at least in the United States) characterizes Mohammed as a local personality in an insignificant corner of the world. Hubbard showed disrespect for the founders of nearly all major world religions, so this gratuitous snub is not unexpected.

    Hubbard gratuitously insults Mohammed and Islam in stating that Mohammed began his ministry as "a good small-town booster [advocate]".

    Hubbard on Mohammed's Motives

    "By the way, the only reason he mocked that thing up, is the trade wasn't good in his hometown. That's right. You read the life of Mohammed."

    Commentary:

    Mohammed (Salla Allah Alieh wa salaam) did not mock Islam up for the reason of trade. He comes from one of the wealthiest families in Arabia. He was offered the wealth of his family in exchange for not teaching Islam, but refused.

    As documented in Islamic books, Mohammed taught "Zuhud", an Arabic word which means to denounce all the material things in life and turn towards God "Allah". Even though Mohammed was married to the wealthiest woman in Arabia, he lived the life of the poor, never slept on a cushion, had old and patched clothes, and never complained. Mohammed taught Mulsims to be humble, to respect the elders and be kind to the young.

    Mecca was the pilgrimage place for many of the people at that time and the pilgrimage time then and now is a very good business time so there is and was no reason to mock anything up for business.

    "mockup" refers to the Scientology concept of thetans' ability to fabricate something simply by willing it into being. Used in context, Genesis 1:1 reads, "...In the beginning, God mocked up the heavens and the earth."

    Hubbard gratuitously insults Mohammed (again) by stating that Islam was created in response to business, rather than spiritual motivation. Given Scientology's tendency to over-emphasize monetary gain, Hubbard is the pot calling the kettle black.

    Hubbard on the Casbah [sic]

    "And he's got a black one and it sort of hung between the ceiling and the floor, I don't know, maybe they call it 'Casbah' or something ... Anyway, anyway, that thing is a mockup of the Emanator!"

    Commentary:

    Hubbard shows contempt for Islam by using the incorrect word for the ka'abah, a cubical building in the mosque at Mecca which houses a black stone, believed to be a fragment of Abraham's altar.

    Given the ethnic stereotypes portrayed in 1950s movies such as Casablanca, Hubbard's use of "the Casbah"[sic] is very nearly an ethnic slur. "The Casbah", a poor district of Cairo(?), invokes images of corruption and intrigue, and was sadly one of the few images that Americans had of Middle Eastern culture during the 1950s.

    Hubbard on the Roots of Islam

    "The Emanator is bright, not black. And so, your volunteer, who insists on a sightseeing trip, goes in and this thing is standing in the middle of the room, and it's going 'wong wong wong wong wong' and he says: "Isn't that pretty?". It sure is, and then he says "Mmmgrmrm ponk" Why, I'll tell you, they cart him from there, and they take him in and they do a transposition of beingness."

    Commentary:

    Hubbard claims that in a previous life, people were hypnotized by the Emanator and had a "transposition of beingness" [an implant or false memory]. Mohammed, who had this implant from a previous life, vaguely remembered the Emanator prior to "mocking up" Islam. This is similar to Hubbard's explanation for the origins of Christianity - "through watching the dramatizations of people, picked up some little fragments of R6."

    Hubbard shows further contempt for Islam by describing a religious pilgrimage to Mecca as "a sightseeing trip".

    Miscavige on Religions of the Last 2000 Years

    "For while you've often heard it said 'we are the only major religion to emerge in this 20th century,' the truth is more than that. In fact, we are the only new religion. Not a reinterpretation of some ancient doctrine, but the only original scriptural voice in the last 2,000 years.", International Scientology News #7, David Miscavige [ecclesiastical leader], March 13, 1998


    Commentary:


    Apparently, Miscavige views Islam as just a "reinterpretation" of ancient doctrine and not an original scriptural voice.


    Scientology claims 8 million adherents, but probably has no more than 100,000 active members. Superlatives and hyperbole are common in Scientology publications. Scientology is most certainly not a "major" religion in the sense that Islam is a major religion.


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    L. Ron Hubbard explains Islam

    [video=youtube;ZbT6bQi-1bw]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZbT6bQi-1bw[/video]








     
  15. CommunicatorIC

    CommunicatorIC @IndieScieNews on Twitter

    Did Imam Abdellah Mechnoune insult Catholic and other Christian churches on behalf of Scientology?

    "[N]ot only those who have Catholic or Christian faith but even other people" -- because "those who have Catholic or Christian faith" especially need Scientology?

    Because "those who have Catholic or Christian faith" need Scientology even more than "other people?"

    But even leaving aside that particular phrasing, a Muslim Iman is going to tell Catholics and other Christians that they "need" Scientology? Seriously?

    Code:
    http://www.scientologyreligion.org/videos/abdellah-mechnoune.html
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    The Scientology Religion site posted a video of Mr. Abdellah Mechnoune, President of the Islamic Organization of the European Arab World, is a strong proponent of interfaith and multiethnic cooperation and understanding. As imam of Turin, Italy, he works to bring together diverse groups and acknowledges that Scientologists “love their neighbor without distinction of skin color or faith.” Of L. Ron Hubbard he says, “We really need his teachings, all of us, not only those who have Catholic or Christian faith but even other people. The Founder of the Church of Scientology has made this program for the whole world.”

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  16. dchoiceisalwaysrs

    dchoiceisalwaysrs Gold Meritorious Patron

    Pure speculation on my part based on just a few facts.
    This guy is on a mission to turn the whole world, currently Italy and then Europe into not Arab Europe as his group calls itself, but a Muslim world under the sharia law. Once that is done, using other minority 'religions' then the minorities will be thrown under the bus and declared infidels.
    Already Italy has areas which are under sharia law because of the work of this Imam and George Soros is profiting from it.
    Dare I say it? Scientologists are a bunch of namby pambywaist dilletantes compared to Allah's army coming across the Mediterranean sea as a refugee front group.
    Hubbard's Sea Org will soon flea to target 2 following their flounders ethical standard 'on the run' tek.

    Meanwhile, back at the Hubbard ranch,DM will announce the new order of magnitude of expansion as 90 mosques open around each Scientology ideal morgue.
    Less than 20 thousand scientologists will claim they have cleared and conquered Rome because Muslims have word cleared infitada and Scientology has made religious freedom a reality in Italy.

    Regardless of my satire I am very concerned and King Crimson's tune Epitath is having greater relevance with each coming day.