Does anyone know who is the TOP doggie of scientology in Australia?

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  1. larfalot

    larfalot Patron

    Hi. I am trying to find out who exactly is the top doggie (the one where the buck stops) here in Australia. Church hierarchy that is.
    Could anyone let me know who this might be?
    My understanding is that david miscaviage 'rules the world' :) but who is the australian and where does he /she reside? I have been told that it is the captain of the advanced church in sydney. But i got the run around today when I phoned there. Also, i was told that the dept of special affairs was senior to the advanced church. :unsure: Then someone informed me that the sydney church is not affiliated with the advanced church. Croc!
    I have never heard of an organisation that does not have a top senior i.e. the one who is accountable to all underneath. There seems to be a lot of chiefs who dont know who is responsible above them.

    I would love to have email address or phone number of this top person and have the address. I dont care who they are. I am sick of trying to pick brains at the sydney church.

    This would be very helpful if someone could enlighten me. :)

    Someone needs to be, and should be, accountable for what is occuring within my family.
    "Off with their heads' as is often quoted.
    I have been thinking to go to the top doggie and insist that certain things occur. Threat of disconnection to me is being handed me and I dont care about the brother of mine vacating his responsibility towards me and mine. but I do care about his kids having to be told 'we dont talk to aunty any more' or my adult kids getting involved. So, as mentioned, I would appreciate any help with this. I want to go to the TOP of the chain and put my concerns on the table. me..............:grouch: grouchy today. Thanks :)
  2. Dulloldfart

    Dulloldfart Squirrel Extraordinaire

    I don't know if it is as simple as that. On the org board it is the CO FOLO ANZO, sort of. But there are various networks with somewhat similar weight. For instance, the CO FOLO would have to kowtow to some 13-year-old CMO brat and call her "Sir." Does that mean the CO CMO ANZO is the head turkey? Well, not really, as the CMO is not supposed to be managing the orgs/unit underneath.

    It's a dogs breakfast.

  3. Panda Termint

    Panda Termint Cabal Of One

    The President Of The CofS in Australia is/was Vicky Dunstan, I think. She is/was the Buck-Stops-Here personage as Head of OSA ANZO. She may well have been replaced in recent times but, if so, I haven't heard.

    Scientology Management-wise it would be CO CLO ANZO. The CO of AOSHANZO is junior to CO CLO and CO CMO ANZO.

    As Paul said, figuring out Top Dog is a bit of a dog's breakfast.
  4. Captain Koolaid

    Captain Koolaid Patron Meritorious

    Wow. My head is spinning.
  5. Panda Termint

    Panda Termint Cabal Of One

    Scientology: Acronyms_R_Us :biggrin:
  6. Petey C

    Petey C Silver Meritorious Patron

    Being Pres or Vice Pres means nothing, it's just a name on a piece of paper that CoS needs to have. I recently found a document that shows that for a brief time I was one of the VPs of CoS International. I barely remember it and certainly didn't have the influence or duties of a VP.

    The muddled org board has been in effect for decades. One would have thought that internationally the ED Int would be the top doggie but in fact there are layers above him, including RTC, the CMO network, and presumably ASI. There *is* no top dog in Australia. It is deliberately set up that way IMO. It's a divide and conquer thing and also makes the organisation hard to target. Some doggies are just more elite than others. (With apologies to Orwell and 1984.)
  7. Panda Termint

    Panda Termint Cabal Of One

    Yes, I know that President of The Church of Scientology Australia means little in scio-world but in the Real World...

    Hmmmm? Aren't Presidents supposed to have a sign on their desk which reads, "The buck stops here!" or something? :biggrin:
  8. Mick Wenlock

    Mick Wenlock Admin Emeritus (retired)

    Well the "President" is a post in OSA PR and follows the "visiting Fireman" advice from Hubbard. It is similar to Port Captain. It has no internal authority at all.

    There is no doubt that the top internal power would be the CO CMO.

    But the person who wields the most power would be the one that DM trusts the most.
  9. Minuet #1 in G

    Minuet #1 in G Patron with Honors

    Who is the boss

    When the body was first made, all the parts wanted to be the boss.

    The brain said, "since I control everything and do all the thinking, I should be the boss."

    The feet said, "since I carry man where he wants to go and get him in position to do what the brain wants, then I should be the boss."

    The hands said, "since I must do all the work and earn all the money to keep the rest of you going, I should be the boss."

    And so it went with the eyes, the heart, the lungs, and all the other parts of the body, each giving the reason why they should be the boss.

    Finally, the asshole spoke up and said it was going to be the boss.

    All the other parts laughed and laughed at the idea of the asshole being the boss. The asshole got so angry that he blocked himself off and refused to function.

    Soon the brain was feverish and could barely think, the feet felt like lead weights and was almost too weak to drag the body anywhere, the eyes grew bleary, and the hands hung useless at the sides. All pleaded with the brain to let the asshole be declared the boss.

    And so it happened; all the other parts did all the work and the asshole just bossed and passed out a lot of crap.

    THE MORAL: You don't have to be a brain to be a boss, just an old asshole.

    Alternate moral: No matter how well things are going, it can all be shut down by a single asshole.

    Another moral: Look for the biggest arsehole - there will be the boss!
  10. larfalot

    larfalot Patron

    Geezuz:blush: Thank you All for the information.:unsure: I dont know what CMO and FOLO etc actually are but I do know that K1 P2 means knit one stitch, pearl one stitch.

    The ANZO part I know:yes:. from your posts I will try chasing up the vicki dunstan person. She might know the answer to my question.:eyeroll:

    But the information you provided might put me in a better position to talk the lingo. I will jot it all down so as not to appear totally in the dark. I will let you know how i get on.

    That is interesting though, about the fact that the WHO is nobody or somebody . I cant believe that an organisation as big as scientology doesnt have a leader here in australia. Amazing.:ohmy: If it is the case then why do scientologists here in australia
    take orders from whoever and cant go higher to check what the heck they are doing? Even my brother and his wife dont know the answer it seems to my question of Who is finally responsible for scientology here in australia.

    Thanks again.:)
  11. larfalot

    larfalot Patron

    Neat! good story:biggrin:
  12. larfalot

    larfalot Patron

    Thanks paul, I think.:omg: I will start with CO Folo anzo and vicki dunstan.
  13. larfalot

    larfalot Patron

    Ok. I will download this page for reference. i.e. the CO CLO ANZO is a person, presumably. :ohmy: I spent an hour today on the phone again. I wanted an address or email even. no go. Blimey. I will ask my chickens for advice.:)

    But seriously, this helps. thanks.
  14. larfalot

    larfalot Patron

    Yes, Sounds like a scientific formula. :)
  15. larfalot

    larfalot Patron

    You are probably right Petey C. Thanks for the "makes the organisation hard to target" information. But I will dig in and find the most appropriate PERSON to get my message across to. All this is very interesting. 'No one to answer to', is presumably the possible scenario. Maybe I should just go to sydney and tell them what to do wwith regard my family? :)
  16. Panda Termint

    Panda Termint Cabal Of One

    Ah, I didn't realise you were THAT in the dark.

    Here beginneth the lesson:

    Org = Organisation

    CO = Commanding Officer

    CMO = Commodores Messenger Org

    CLO = Continental Liaison Org (Sea Org Management)

    AOSH = Advanced Organisation & Saint Hill (Delivers Advanced Levels and Saint Hill Services; The Saint Hill Special Briefing Course, Class 8 Course and various Specialised Scientology Services)

    ANZO = Australia, New Zealand & Oceania

    Got it? Now read; "Scientology Management-wise it would be CO CLO ANZO. The CO of AOSHANZO is junior to CO CLO and CO CMO ANZO."

    Put any of those terms into Google along with the word "scientology" and you should get a halfway reasonable description of the functions and activities involved.

    As Mick pointed out the most Power (within the CofS) resides with CO CMO ANZO, this person would seldom/never deal with a Public person directly. If you want someone who will speak to you personally you'll need to work your way up to The President via various echelons within The Office Of Special Affairs (OSA).
  17. larfalot

    larfalot Patron

    Thanks panda termint:dieslaughing: Love that name.
    Its my understanding from education that ACCOUNTABILITY is part of any organisations organisational structure. ' Heads roll' even in the Government. It seems incredible to me that someone is not in charge here in australia. I do know that 'presidents ' of certain groups are just figure heads for the group but there is always someone who has to be there to answer to anything or anyone underneath. And the fact that david miascaviage is known to be the Leader overseas I dont ever recall seeing or reading any media report on scientology australia where 'the leader' of australia was named. There must be one out there.......HELLOOOOOO is anyone out there??????????? Take me to your Leader :happydance:
  18. larfalot

    larfalot Patron

    I will find out what CMO is. I would like to know who DM trusts the most here in australia. We have no movie stars who are scientologists here that I know of. I could be wrong.
    But my understanding is that people get moved around a lot in scientology. Would you tell me if CO CMO is sydney based please?? :)
  19. Panda Termint

    Panda Termint Cabal Of One

    See my last post (#16) above for more info about this. Yes, CO CMO ANZO is based in Sydney but I doubt that you'll get to see her or talk to her personally. If you're a Public person it has to be via OSA (as I described) or someone in one of the lower Service Org echelons.
  20. larfalot

    larfalot Patron

    Thanks Panda termint, for the dictionary. :) :) :) This is very helpful.:happydance:
    Thanks too for the heads up about working my way up to get to top doggie. Not my style, really.:duh: I will use my evil psyche training to clear a path to the top Rooster or Hen. I say that with respect to the indians minding the hillside. I will get to chat with the chief by hook or crook. I am an AUSTRALIAN CITIZEN. :biggrin:

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