I was surprised to see Karen#1 describing the L's as "draconian mind control." Have read the Ls, but have never audited them. I have witnessed those who've completed them, including those returning from the flagship in the early 1970s. They usually fell into two types: absolute purple-faced fanatics, and vaguely uneasy Ls completions, who, apparently, felt they had not achieved the promised EP - which included "stably exterior with full perception" - but were afraid to admit it. Here's a recent video of a CofS L's completion: http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=hZGi7cBvd5w The two most prominent sellers of the L's in Independent Scientology are Pierre Ethier and Trey Lotz. Videos of both Pierre and Trey discussing the L's can be found on the net. My concern is the psychological effects that such actions have on their recipients. If these two auditors are indeed selling draconian mind control then, IMO, they need to be contacted, and the subject needs to be discussed with them.