DriverJan in search of help for Anthro Paper

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  1. DriverJan

    DriverJan Patron

    Hi,
    I'm DriverJan. I confess I am not an ex-scientologist or a scientologist of any kind. I am a college anthropology student doing a ethnography about Scientology and Kinship Relationships, in other words about how Scientology defines family structures, who is related to whom, and their mutual expectations, rights, and responsibilities. I have tried to go thru Scientology to find a someone to describe these kinship relationships with me, and I've gotten nowhere. Now I'm getting strange emails and I find myself not wanting to contact them again. But I still need to complete this important honors paper.

    Will someone be willing to talk to me about their experience of kinship relationships within Scientology? Cultural Anthropologists call these people key informants, and their names, contact info, etc., can be kept secret. I've done lot of research, but I need to talk to someone who has experienced kinship relationships with Scientology to complete my paper.

    If you feel you can help me, reply to this and I will send you contact info and my real name.
    THANKS IN ADVANCE
    DriverJan
     
  2. I told you I was trouble

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    Scientology destroys kinship and familial relationships @Driver Jan ... it specialises in it and is very good at it.

    The cult always has to come first as far as true scientologists are concerned and they have all kinds of justifications for it which are steeped in hubbards 'scriptures' and are actually quite shocking. A culture has been created that (almost) trivialises the family dynamic.


    Many of us no longer have our families due to leaving the cult.
     
  3. DriverJan

    DriverJan Patron

    That is what I have come to understand in my research. I would like to chat with you more in depth if you would be willing?
     
  4. I told you I was trouble

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    Sorry ... I really don't want to do that but you can ask as many questions as you like here and I'm sure you will get enough answers to form a complete understanding.

    :)
     
  5. ThetanExterior

    ThetanExterior Gold Meritorious Patron

    I think it's important to realise that scientology has a public face, which is mostly lies, and then there is the reality which you don't find out about until you experience it.

    They tell the general public that they respect families and they have books and courses to help with any problems that may occur in family relationships. But the truth is they consider each person to be a spiritual being who has lived many lives and is just in this body for this lifetime. Therefore they don't consider anyone to have a familial relationship with anyone else. That is why it is easy for them to cause husbands and wives to divorce and children and parents to disconnect from each other. To scientology, nothing matters except the survival of the scientology organization.
     
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  6. Type4_PTS

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    Hi DriverJan!

    My understanding from spending 10 years of my life in Scientology:

    Given that we are spiritual beings (what scientology calls thetans) trapped in a body, and that being in bodies isn't really even natural for us as thetans, we are in truth not REALLY related to our parents who gave birth to us or to our children. Obviously there's a biological/genetic connection, but given that we our not our bodies, nor did we even have bodies in our original state (which we are working to get back to), we don't really have family in the way that non-scientologists view it.

    And when weighing actions from an ethical viewpoint, doing something to help ones family is vastly outweighed by doing something to help the Church of Scientology, as Scientology is engaged in not only saving this planet and this sector of the universe, but in saving our eternity! As Hubbard says in his policy "Keeping Scientology Working":

    "We’re not playing some minor game in Scientology. It isn’t cute or something to do for lack of something better.

    The whole agonized future of this planet, every man, woman and child on it, and your own destiny for the next endless trillions of years depend on what you do here and now with and in Scientology.

    This is a deadly serious activity. And if we miss getting out of the trap now, we may never again have another chance.

    Remember, this is our first chance to do so in all the endless trillions of years of the past. Don’t muff it now because it seems unpleasant or unsocial..."

    So the way that Scientology views things, helping your children in any way such as putting aside money for their college education, or assisting your parents in any way who raised you, is much less ethical than handing that money over to the Church of Scientology who are the most ethical group on the planet and saving us all.

    If the Church of Scientology perceives that ones children, parents, siblings, etc., are interfering with your progress as a Scientologist or they're critical of Scientology for any reason, one may be forced to permanently disconnect from them, completely severing ones connection to them.
     
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  7. DriverJan

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    Thank you, I appreciate your time and effort.
     
  8. DriverJan

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    Yes, I have come to realize this in my research. I have specific questions related to families I need to find answer's too. I don't want to cause anyone unnecessary pain though. Can you answer the following question (I completely understand if you choose not to answer)? All answers will remain anonymous unless I'm told otherwise.

    We’re you brought into Scientology by your parents as a child, or did you join as an adult?
     
  9. DriverJan

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    Yes, this is just what I have uncovered. And It sounds very grand, saving the planet and all eternity. Certainly a worthwhile and needed goal. But what does a small child, let alone an infant, understand of all that? Does Scientology have a plan for those who cannot yet comprehend that they are thetans?
     
  10. DriverJan

    DriverJan Patron

    Type4_PTS,
    You said you spent 10 years in Scientology? How old were you when you entered? Are you still a member? If these questions are too personal, just tell me. I am researching an important (to me) paper, but I am also naturally inquisitive. I don't want to cause anyone uncomfortable or cause any trauma.
     
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  12. Type4_PTS

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    I was about 21 when I entered and got out 10 years later. That was back in 1989. I don't mind you asking me personal questions, but going through a very busy time at work just now, so if I don't answer right away that is why.
     
  13. Type4_PTS

    Type4_PTS Diamond Invictus SP

    Well a child up to a certain age (5 or 6?) is kind of like a sponge, taking in information without any kind of critical thinking.

    I didn't have any children when in Scientology so can't really address your other questions. There was a book compiled though of many of Hubbard's writings as concerns marriage and children. I don't know if it's still in print or not.

    It's funny because Scientology claims superiority on how to handle marriages, relationships, marriage counseling, etc, but from my experience during my 7 years at the CoS Boston the divorce rate was off the charts! Tom Cruise already has 3 failed marriages yet he has access to the top auditors and other staff who serve the Scientology celebrities. Hubbard had 3 failed marriages as well, but he created courses on marriage counseling! :faceslap:
     
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  14. DriverJan

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    Thank you!! :) I will check this out. However, I need firsthand accounts told directly to me to complete this part of my paper.
     
  15. DriverJan

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    I appreciate anything you have to say, whenever you have time to say it. Thanks so much.
     
  16. Little David

    Little David Silver Meritorious Patron

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  17. DriverJan

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    Thanks, this is just the type of thing I'm looking for. Viewing Scientology as a culture, and trying to identify norms and values through that lens is a bit of a challenge.
     
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  19. FoTi

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    Those are first hand accounts....we all wrote our own stories. You read them....it's us talking to you, if you read them.

    Click on my story ....the link below....it's the same thing I would tell you on this thread if you asked me questions, only there is a lot more information in my story then you would get by just asking me questions here.
     
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  20. DriverJan

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    I WILL! This will be a great help. Thank you so much for sharing.
     

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