Ex-Muslims of North America

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  1. chipgallo

    chipgallo Patron Meritorious

    It is almost as if the Ex-Muslims read ESMB before they set up their web site. This "Road to Reason" segment features two of the founders (starting at 14:31):

    [video]https://youtu.be/DvT_5Kua_Kc?t=14m31s[/video]
     
  2. ethercat

    ethercat Cat in flight

    I haven't watched the video, but there's another ex-muslim forum here: http://www.councilofexmuslims.com/

    Their exit stories are just as dramatic as some of the ones here, if not more so. Thank God we don't have to have rules like some of theirs, though!

     
  3. Dulloldfart

    Dulloldfart Squirrel Extraordinaire

    This looks misunderstood. The "smite" seems to be a kind of moderator online rebuke. The honour-killings etc are things a poster might encourage that get rewarded with a "smite," not an explanation of what a "smite" involves. :)

    Paul
     
  4. anonomog

    anonomog Gold Meritorious Patron

    God-s+computer.JPG

    Ah, the smite button.
    I want one.
     
  5. ethercat

    ethercat Cat in flight

    Apparently only misunderstood by you, Paul. I was referring to the fact that I've never seen calls here for death or honor killings.

    I was not referring to what a smite is or how they use it at that forum. You will have to visit and poke around on that forum to determine their moderation policies. "Smite" is a term used in Simple Machines Forum software as part of the "Karma" system: http://wiki.simplemachines.org/smf/SMF2.0:Features_and_Options#Karma

    /derail
     
  6. guanoloco

    guanoloco As-Wased

    These forums and organizations may be the greatest undoing to Islam. I hope they experience exponential growth and support.
     
  7. guanoloco

    guanoloco As-Wased

    I spoke too soon...I just checked out the 1st website and it's a political site laced with feminism and SJW rhetoric.

    Too bad. I expect it to be fascism. What I would like to see and what I think would be most helpful would be stuff similar to ESMB where the common voice reflects the experience and where culties can exit without an agenda of dubious goals.
     
  8. Dulloldfart

    Dulloldfart Squirrel Extraordinaire

    Try Voodoo. Straw dolls and pins, melted wax etc. :biggrin:

    http://www.voodoosociety.com/learn-voodoo.php

    Learn Voodoo

    Do you want to learn Voodoo? The Voodoo Society offers what many consider the finest high-grade course in traditional and practical Voodoo and hoodoo spiritual work and occultism in the world today. For those who wish to learn Voodoo, the Voodoo Society teaches how to use the awesome powers of Voodoo and hoodoo to attract love, money, health, power and protection.

    . . .

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    (That picture looked more interesting than a doll with a pin in it.)

    Paul
     
  9. chipgallo

    chipgallo Patron Meritorious

    If you are referring to the Ex-Muslims of North America site, the forums are apparently invitation only after an interview. Hard to tell what is going on there as all that the public can see are the available interview times. Does keep the paparazzi and honor murderers at bay though.
     
  10. ethercat

    ethercat Cat in flight

    http://www.councilofexmuslims.com/index.php?topic=29730.0

    Paragraphs added for legibility. There are responses to that, but I'm not going to include them here; visit the link above to read them.
     
  11. Churchill

    Churchill Gold Meritorious Patron

    Sam Harris Podcast

    Yesterday, Sam Harris posted a podcast (#81 - Waking Up with Sam Harris) with Sarah Haider, whose organization 'Ex-Muslims of North America," is, like ESMB itself, also dealing with the issues of intolerance and fear that so many ex-Scientologists face.

    The need for anonymity on the part of so many former Scientologists is irrefutable evidence of the very real fear that many ex-Scientologists live with. Parallels abound between Scientology and Islam.

    Be forewarned that this is 1:46 hours long, but I really think you that you will find this a stimulating and remarkable articulation. Scientology, not surprisingly, is mentioned at several places in the discussion.

    I offer this also, as an antidote for those who, like myself, seek respite from the insipid faux intellectualism of Marty Rathbun.

    https://soundcloud.com/samharrisorg/81-leaving-islam
     
  12. WhatWall

    WhatWall Silver Meritorious Patron

    Re: Sam Harris Podcast

    Down through the ages, Jews have again & again been hunted & killed, forced to leave their home countries & abandon all possessions, rounded up & exterminated and subjected to all manner of discrimination & persecution. Yet I don't see Jews declaring jihad and committing acts of terrorism around the world.

    I think that Israel is being used to forward U.S. hegemony in the Middle East so my support for Israel is nuanced, but I never question the good will and civilizing influence of the Jewish people.

    When the followers of Islam have endured the centuries of injustice, genocide and persecution that the Jews have endured, then they can make a case for terrorism. However, they would be better served by following the Jewish example.
     
  13. WildKat

    WildKat Gold Meritorious Patron

    I listened to the whole interview. Wow. Two intelligent, articulate people calmly discussing Islamic issues. Some really good points made. Highly recommend taking the time to listen. Also, Scientology gets mentioned at least a couple times.

    I consider Islam, spread of, to be the single greatest issue Western society faces. I've grown a bit bored discussing Scn because it pales in comparison. If there were 1.6 BILLION Scientologists and its influence was spreading all over the planet, it would be different. But if Tom Cruise and some of the whales weren't propping it up, Scn would already be history. A blip. Insignificant.

    Islam is very significant and growing. It is heartening to see groups like these (Ex Muslims of North America) and I hope their influence will spread. They are the ESMB of the Muslim world.
     
  14. Enthetan

    Enthetan Mutant

    Re: Sam Harris Podcast

    That's an understatement. In Islam, the penalty for leaving Islam is DEATH, with the killing to be carried out by any Muslim having the opportunity.

    [video=youtube;huMu8ihDlVA]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=huMu8ihDlVA[/video]

    The only reason why Scientology doesn't do likewise, is because it is primarily based in Western societies which would not tolerate it.
     
  15. WildKat

    WildKat Gold Meritorious Patron

    Re: Sam Harris Podcast

    Yep, in the interview, she talks about the very strict security protocols the group has to take, to protect themselves from the soldiers of Allah who want them dead for apostasy. She couldn't go into specifics, for obvious reasons. Yes, disconnection is horrible, but it's nothing like having your father or brother murder you in an "honor killing" for apostasy, or throw acid in your face for not wearing the hijab and bringing dishonor to the family.
     
  16. guanoloco

    guanoloco As-Wased

    I just went back and looked at the two first links given. IDK what I had encountered before but now these appear to be open and honest discussions of cult experiences. It's refreshing.

    I believe that these communities need to be fostored, protected and nurtured as they will prove to be most constructive in deconstructing the cult experience of Islam.

    This is what Western Universities, schools and media should be doing - providing a voice for these groups. Unfortunately these enterprises just mentioned are controlled by corporate entities that are owned and influenced by wealthy Saudis and other pro Islamic sources. As a result we get a skewed view from Western media and Universities.

    A skewed view that is pro Cult and anti intellectual and anti Western.

    In today's headlines, as in the date of this post, international gay rights activists are organizing anti Sharia marches globally. Sadly, in opposition to these marches, there are global LGBT groups organizing to protest these gay rights activist protesters. The LGBT crowds are stating that the anti Sharia protests are "Islamaphobic" and that the LGBT crowd knows what it's like to face systemic discrimination from the "alt right conservatives".

    Lol!! Their precious Sharia proponents will cast them off buildings and summarily execute the LGBT community.
     
    Last edited: Jun 11, 2017
  17. guanoloco

    guanoloco As-Wased

    http://www.breitbart.com/london/2017/06/10/gays-sharia-march-branded-islamophobic-will-picketed-lgbt-activists/



    Veteran gay rights activist Peter Tatchell has also entered the fray, tweeting his opposition to the march.

    When confronted by fellow Twitter users who accused him of “defending the wrong people”, he reacted by tweeting his “delight” at having been “targeted” by “fascists”, as he said it showed he had “rattled the far right”.

    Just a few weeks later Tatchell tweeted an appeal to help overturn the death penalty for homosexuality, which still exists in several countries.

    The ten countries in which homosexuality is punishable by death are Afghanistan, Iran, Mauritania, Nigeria, Qatar, Saudi Arabia, Somalia, Sudan, the United Arab Emirates and Yemen. In some cases, the laws apply only in regions of the country under Sharia law or are only applicable to Muslims.
     
  18. Enthetan

    Enthetan Mutant

    Tatchell appears to be a "professional activist", whose work is supported by the Peter Tatchell Foundation. As such, he will likely advocate in favor of whatever results in money flowing into his foundation. Even if his resulting positions are mutually contradictory.

    I would be curious if his foundation has been getting funding from Islamic groups.
     
  19. WhatWall

    WhatWall Silver Meritorious Patron

    His foundation should send him on a speaking tour to the countries that have the death penalty for homosexuality. I'm sure they'd be very interested in what he has to say. :goodluck:
     

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