Friendly Greetings

Discussion in 'New Member Introductions' started by Tamlin, Sep 14, 2013.

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  1. Tamlin

    Tamlin Patron

    Hi, my name is Tamlin. I've been lurking here for a couple of years, despite never having been involved in Scientology.

    I've registered now (despite feeling a bit awkward and out of place!) because I'm assisting in media coverage of one of the many lawsuits against the church. Trying to cover the story with fairness and sensitivity is a concern. I don't want to trash anyone's religious faith or philosophy, but I'm also very much aware that real suffering has been caused to members and ex-members alike.

    I've only known one Scientologist in my life. When I was a kid, a school-friend's mother got involved with the church. She was a nice lady, she used to do what I now know are "touch assists" on the other moms of our class. Not too much later, though, she went off to work for the church. I don't think she ever came back. My friend was raised by his relatives, and I can still remember the pain on their faces when someone would ask about her. Despite the official denials in the press years later, there was never any doubt for me that disconnection was real.

    This very limited (albeit sad) experience has been my only real-life exposure to Scientology. I realize that covering the subject with any depth and understanding requires much more. I hope it's okay if someone like me hangs around.

    I strongly support freedom of religion. I do not in any way support abuse of human rights under cover of that religion.

    Thanks for reading. It's nice to meet you all. :)
  2. Arthur Dent

    Arthur Dent Silver Meritorious Patron

    Welcome Tamlin!
    Thanks for joining. As you've been lurking quite awhile, you've probably read a heck of a lot by now. Crazy stuff, huh?
  3. Purple Rain

    Purple Rain Crusader

    Well, as Australian senator Nick Xenophon famously said, "In Australia there are not limits on what you can believe but there are limits on how you can behave. It's called the law, and no one is above it."

    If your beliefs translate into behaviour that is against the law - or should be - if it hurts people - then sorry. Get with the 21st century. There have to be limits that people can't hide behind to ruin the lives of others.
  4. Free Being Me

    Free Being Me Crusader

    :welcome2: Tamlin. Many, many stories are here about people's experiences with $cientology, which isn't a religion. Happy posting!
  5. Tamlin

    Tamlin Patron

    Hi Arthur Dent (nice name, btw)

    Yeah, I've had more than a few nights of frenzied reading when I should have been sleeping.
    It turned out for the best, really. When a big story appeared in our midst, I actually knew a bit about the subject. I feel a little sorry for anyone taking it on from scratch. No one on this board has to be told just how incredibly complicated is! :ohmy:

    I've always had a very strong interest in religion, philosophy, self-improvement etc, which draws me to such subjects anyway (whether I agree with them or not) but Scientology is certainly...different? Unusual? Very hard to find the right word to describe it! :unsure:

    BTW, this board has the most amazing assortment of emoticons, it's gonna take a while to memorize them all! :dizzy:
  6. Tamlin

    Tamlin Patron

    Yep, yep, I absolutely agree with that sentiment. :yes:
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  7. Tamlin

    Tamlin Patron

    Hey, thanks for the welcome. :)
  8. Ogsonofgroo

    Ogsonofgroo Crusader

    Hiya Tamlin and another :welcome:

    I are a tad curious as to why you waited so long to come say hello?

    Regardless, I wish you the very best of visits and congeniality :)

  9. Tamlin

    Tamlin Patron

    Hi, Thanks for the welcome. :)

    Well, I waited so long for a couple of reasons, really. As I've never been in the church, I didn't want to tromp in where I didn't belong. It just didn't seem right. I'm also very shy. Many ex-Scientologists seem very forthright - possibly from doing the training routines - but never having had that, I'm easily intimidated! :nervous:

    In addition to what's mentioned in my intro, another reason I've registered is I've now had some contact with a few exes due to the Rathbun suit, and they all seemed so darned nice that I wasn't too afraid anymore.

    It might seem strange to lurk about so long when I've never been "inside", but I guess the only answer is that I care about people inside totalistic systems and admire those who can come out and continue to help others.
  10. TG1

    TG1 Angelic Poster


    I don't think it's odd at all your interest in Scientology. The lessons and the dangers of that cult are so universal and translatable to an array of ideologies. I didn't realize just how universal for a very long time.

    Thanks for the reflection of that perspective you have already offered here.

    And welcome to our strange band. :)

  11. GreyWolf

    GreyWolf Gold Meritorious Patron

    Welcome. I hope you learn what you need here.
  12. rich

    rich Banned

    Yes Tamlin, the training routines and other training make you kind of forthright. If not extremely pushy. That is how graduates of Warner Erharts squirrel group "EST" got the nickname "est holes". I fondly remember when I was shy, and especially, when I was inocent.

    I try to channel my forthrightness into a pioneering or adventurous attitude rather than pusshyness and meanness, but I often screw that up.
  13. Udarnik

    Udarnik Gold Meritorious Patron

    Welcome, fellow never-in.

    And the phrase you are searching for is .... "fucked up". :yes:
  14. dchoiceisalwaysrs

    dchoiceisalwaysrs Gold Meritorious Patron

    Welcome Tamlin.

    Nice to have your care and compassion added to this wonderful board.

    As regards disconnection I want to comment that perhaps (I don't have enough of the particulars) the mother more or less abandoned the your childhood friend as the mother chased either the 'Road to total freedom bridge, or the "Clear the planet' goals rather than 'disconnecting' for the purpose of shielding herself from harmful distraction ( as in the motivation of disconnection).

    I do see a difference as I was involved in both and there is a net same result of destroyed or greatly harmed relationships.

    Your presence and participation here is very welcomed even though you are from an 'unknowing uneducated non-scientological :wink2::lol: ' (the died in the wool scientologist commonly held opinion installed :yes: by the writings and lectures of Elwrong), background.

    I am touched by your respect and concern. Thanks
  15. Lurker5

    Lurker5 Gold Meritorious Patron

    :welcome2: Tamlin :wave: :thumbsup:
  16. NoName

    NoName A Girl Has No Name

    I feel you, Tam. After I lurked here and at Steve and Marty's sites for a really long time, I felt funny joining too. I'm **not** a never-in, but I blew very quickly. After Book 1 introductory auditing and the comm course. Sometimes, I feel like I have survivor guilt for getting off so much easier than most of ESMB.
  17. Tamlin

    Tamlin Patron

    Hi, TG1 *waves*

    Yes, I agree, many aspects here are universal and translatable. Even a brief look at many of Hubbard's sources show concepts that have been around since time immemorial. Then again, there's the "space opera" element that makes the average outsider go :omg: and gets most of the media attention. That and the unique processes like auditing are harder to reconcile with the rest. Trying to put them together is a bit dizzying, at least to someone like me! Perhaps the ideas mesh a bit better when someone has been through the actual processes...but that's the kind of thing I'm hoping to learn more about here.

    Thanks for the welcome. :)

    Hi GreyWolf, nice to meet you.

    I just want to say I've seen the work you've done on various religious sects and really appreciate your efforts.

    Haha, yeah, I've heard about the EST nickname. :p
    Because of the shyness, I've sometimes wished I had something like those training routines. I doubt Scientology could have even got me through the door, though - I'm pretty sure I'm too mousy to even raise my voice at an ashtray!

    Your point about innocence is well taken.

    haha. Well, as a Buddhist in Texas (where people often confuse "Buddhism" with "Satanism"), I've come to be more diplomatic about these things. :p

    Hey, thanks. :)

    My friend's mother, I believe, was eventually a case of disconnection. Not at first, but later on.
    It was a long time ago now, but I do recall that she had gone off to Florida. Perhaps she joined Sea Org? Whatever her goal, they probably wouldn't have allowed her to continue if she had family who were in disagreement with church, no?

    One of the things that especially interests me is how the goals you mention develop such an overriding importance so quickly. There are very few things that inspire people to leave their previous life behind that way. Heck, I have a hard enough time trying to change a bad habit, let alone changing the focus of my life. It's rather mysterious to me.
  18. Tamlin

    Tamlin Patron

    Hi lurker5, :wave: Thanks for the welcome!

    Hi NoName :)
    Glad to know I'm not the only one. If I may ask, why did you leave so quickly? I get curious as to why some jump in with both feet and never look back, and others reject it or drift away. I've got my theories about it, but it's far better to hear from those who have been there. :yes:

    I lurked around Marty's blog, too. For a never-in, that was way above my head, so I didn't even try to communicate. But it's funny...I found Marty's blog before anything else, because we weren't living too far away at the time (not in the same town, but the same general area) I told the local paper then, there's this unusual story here, why not do something on it? They said no, there's no interest (they weren't exactly a shining example of journalism, btw.) A few years later, we move inland, and the next thing we know, the Rathbuns are here too...and now we're covering Monique's court case. :O How weird is that? But it seems a little like destiny to get a second chance, because this story might be a very important one in the history of the church.
  19. AnonKat

    AnonKat Crusader

    Welcome, enjoy

    for starters

  20. hpm1999

    hpm1999 Patron with Honors

    Welcome. Thanks and good luck on the coverage of the trial. With regards to Freedom of Religion I do agree with your sentiments. However CO$ is not a religion but a fraudulent business set up with multiple shells (to protect DM) masquerading as a religion. Witness the fiction of the separate entities of the CSI, RTC and OSA as a most immediate and, with your coverage of the trial, the most pertinent example.

    Glad to see you here. One has to wonder at the complete madness of this all.