German National TV Report about "Foundation for a Drug Free World"

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  1. Nicole

    Nicole Silver Meritorious Patron

    The "Foundation for a Drug Free World" (in Germany they have the name "Sag Nein zu Drogen, Sag Ja zum Leben" it means "Say no to Drugs, say Yes to Life") has made in the last time a "Tour" through some German Cities. They visited schools, had a Singer from LA in the Cities "Joy Villa" (don't know her, maybe somebody else does) and a "BMX - Star" Domink Nekolny was the "Leading Person" to get in contact with people. Especially in schools he was the "Advertiser".

    Nobody was able to see, that "Sag Nein zu Drogen..." is part of Scientology. So they have found the way into schools, regulary Scientology will never find a way into schools.

    Anne Hinder from the German National TV in Bavaria, has made a very good report about the "hidding" way Scientology goes.

    The film is in German, because I can't translate in English (it won't work, nobody would understand) I have made a German Transscript. Maybe somebody can translate much better than me... :)

    [video=youtube;o8aCEmJ9XLw]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o8aCEmJ9XLw[/video]


     
  2. MrNobody

    MrNobody Who needs merits?


    Thank you for the transcript, Nicole! :thankyou:

    Sadly, it's a bit too much text for me to type/translate manually, but here's the Google translation:

    Un-edited, un-formatted Google-translation of transcript:

     
  3. Boson Wog Stark

    Boson Wog Stark Patron Meritorious

    I find it a little disturbing that teachers or the principals in German schools can't Google for a few minutes to find out about the origin of an anti-drug group they are allowing to do presentations for their students.

    The interviewer is aware of how this also about internal PR for the cult, to raise donations and make members believe they are reaching millions with their message and transforming civilization. You have performers like Joy Villa on her mini-stage with her Mr. Microphone, thinking she is "making history." I guess she is, if history includes the desperate efforts of a space cult in its death throes.

    And the Czech BMXer, who isn't a clam but just has a "deal," including having a Scientology handler nearby -- LOL.

    It is a bait and switch though, because they'd like to get young people involved with a front group, warning their peers about the dangers of drugs or whatever, and after they show interest, then they tell them about the part about needing Scientology training.

    The orgs just aren't pulling in the vulnerable, uninformed people like they used to, so Scientology's front groups are going to be more active than ever at pulling in the fresh meat. The only way to sell Scientology will be to attract people with something that doesn't appear to be Scientology. I suspect that with their new broadcasting facility, they are going to take Scientology more in the direction of selling it to people who want to perform, dress up, and break into the entertainment industry.
     
  4. AnonyMary

    AnonyMary Formerly Fooled - Finally Free

    Thank you both!! For the transcription and translation! I have been eager to know what was said in what appeared to me to be a good investigative report. I wish I was multilingual

    German reporter, Anne Hinder, was under a very tight schedule to get this done. I think she did a terrific job on it. I suspect we will be hearing more from her and this TV station, about Scientology and this front group, as well as how they in with Narconon, the other elephant in the room. :thumbsup:


    PS: Got to love this!!
     
  5. MrNobody

    MrNobody Who needs merits?

    Yes, it is disturbing, but I think I need to break a lance, albeit a very small one, for the teachers and principals in German schools: Since Scientology is relatively small/insignificant in Germany, average people, and that includes school teachers and principals, rarely have this cult on their radar and as has been said in the movie, on the German web pages was no hint about any connection to Scientology. Add some time pressure ("We can only offer our "show" on that specific day, so take it NOW NOW NOW or we'll perform somewhere else!") to the mix and the result is what you can see in the movie."

    Also, as sad as it is, many teachers in German schools definitely lack basic computer- and Internet-skills. BTDT, tried to train 'em, but too many teachers were too ignorant regarding any IT-related issues.
     
  6. Nicole

    Nicole Silver Meritorious Patron

    First I was thinking the same and something like this informations are out and why do I write my Blog... But my husband looked the report with me, he works at a school. We discussed about it and he said, he won't have often the time to look at it. He knows about Cults, it won't happen to him. But imo the brochures are very good made and some people think it is a serious offer. Sad Scientology learned so much in the last years.

    Ah... I was thinking wtf and typicall Scientology.
    There I was thinking and saying loud "Dumpfbacke". Doens't he knows something about the death people in Narconon, the Sea Org and normal Scientology members.

    The problem is, they hide more and more. I am not sure, if this is a German problem, because the people here seem to know lots about the Cult or if this is a problem in general?
     
  7. Nicole

    Nicole Silver Meritorious Patron

    I have heard lots of critics were involved behind the scenes. Thx to everyone and of course Anne Hinder.
     
  8. SPsince83

    SPsince83 Silver Meritorious Patron

    In the late 60s "Jesus Freaks" became a recruiting tool for fundie Christians. By the 90s it was Christian Metal. Now Christian Thrash. Scientology mirrored all of that. The Billy Sheehan crowd took scn out of it's final hippie phase (which had been severely dented by disco) and obviously are aiming at the current skate punk/thrash crowd. Religion always mirrors the popular culture while trolling for the gullible.
     
  9. MrNobody

    MrNobody Who needs merits?

    I don't think the cult learned anything new in recent years. Remember when Guido Westerwelle gave Tom Cruise the "Golden Key of Berlin"? Same pattern, IMO. Some clueless person unknowingly and unintentionally throws a huge "Scientology validation" party.

    Nope, probably not. Even average household-incident-related deaths outrank the Cult- and NarCONon-related deaths by orders of magnitude, let alone the daily deaths in traffic accidents. I find it amazing that newspapers and TV shows give valid SCN-related information as much space/time as they do, but it'll probably take many more years for the information to trickle down into the conscience of your average neighbors and colleagues.

    I think the problem is a 2-edged sword: To have more pull in public and at the same time give the anti-cult movement more pull, Scientology would have to become more popular.

    IOW, Westerwelle may be a damn dumb shit (IMO), but I doubt he was willfully and deliberately validating the cult in the way he did. Westerwelle was collateral damage and Cruise now has the symbolic Golden Key of Berlin (and, semi-officially, his cult "validated").

    EDIT:
    Oh, and I believe the problem is an international one: How many international politicians know that they have advisors influenced by Scientology? Sadly, that number is somewhat very close to Zero, I believe.
     
  10. Nicole

    Nicole Silver Meritorious Patron

    If Westerwelle would have known how homophob Cruise and the Cult is, he would have never gone in this contact IMO. But that wasn't what I wanted to say. In the past I could say to uninformated persons, if on the material stands Hubbard, New ERA Publications, Scientology, Dianetik... Than it is Scientology and now there stands nothing of this anymore. How should uninformated people find out, what it is? Was it a mistake to make this info public. Sometimes I believe, the More people get informated, the better they hide.


    This would be another great report. ;)
     
  11. MrNobody

    MrNobody Who needs merits?

    Ok, back in his days, Westerwelle whored himself out to whatever gave him (and his party) some publicity. IMO, he's never been more than a stupid little pawn, a "useful idiot", basically like all of his party always is and has ever been. But don't let us get all political, OK? :coolwink:

    Yeah, well, do you really expect the cult to "label" their propaganda properly? Do you really expect the cult to print "CULT PROPAGANDA" on every single paper they push out to the unsuspecting public?

    Of course they don't do that, not even they are that stupid. :wink:

    No, of course not!

    Of course they're hiding behind any "media-bush" they can find. What else do you expect?

    TV brings a report about Scientology, they react with some highly public Anti-drug-activity.

    Well-known, respectable magazine prints a well-researched NarCONon report, they react with some CCHR activity.

    That's just how the game goes. :coolwink:

    Yeah, Scientology is the gift that keeps on giving. :biggrin:
     
  12. secretiveoldfag

    secretiveoldfag Silver Meritorious Patron

    Scientology has a problem with hiding as they cannot hide and at the same time conquer the world.

    The moment they stick their noses up, wham! there is a 15-minute documentary about how sneaky they are and pretty soon everyone who ought to know does know and their nice new campaign doesn't work any more.

    At least it doesn't work in Germany. But the Germans know all about Scientology for years now and see it very clearly.

    If you want to get an overview of what the b/tards are up to with their Front Groups have a look here:

    http://www.forum.exscn.net/showthre...ng-Scientology-Front-Groups-(and-other-stuff)
     
    Last edited: Jul 24, 2015
  13. MrNobody

    MrNobody Who needs merits?

    Right! That's why Cruise still didn't have to give back that symbolic Golden Key of Berlin, right?

    Protip: Never underestimate your enemy! :coolwink:
     
  14. Nicole

    Nicole Silver Meritorious Patron

    Wrong. See the governments. They can hide there very good with their lobbying. Look eg. at the US Humanright report. Everytime Germany is there told to be against religious freedom, because of Scientologies connections into the US Government.
     
  15. Nicole

    Nicole Silver Meritorious Patron

    What a pity.:sad:


    First I was thinking about the German Gift (=poison). :biggrin:
     
  16. oneonewasaracecar

    oneonewasaracecar Gold Meritorious Patron

    I like this. I see that Nicole disagrees but I think you have a good point.

    They are only able to successfully hide and infiltrate when people don't know who they are.

    They get their foot in one door or other because people don't really know about them. The moment they have done that, they use that 'in' to attract members and immediately out themselves. The door closes.

    Scientology effectively moves from place to place, violating the trust of naive people, and inadvertently inoculating them.

    Every now and then, they get a big fish and it then becomes the subject of a huge investigation and people are inoculated by a Television report.

    They can't win.

    Thanks to all involved.
     
  17. Nicole

    Nicole Silver Meritorious Patron

    For me it hasn't so much to do with win or not win. I won't go in this kind of battle. IMO it will always exists people like Dominik Nekolny, who will help the Cult. IMO it is just important to inform people. It is a problem that we are informing people after something happens. How many of this pupils do think now, Scientology isn't as evil as they have heard before. You can see the reaction, of the one pupil in the Vid. Those kinds of reports are very important, but any kind of prevention, is very important too. Kids have eg to learn, how they can see if they get manipulated by any kind of Cults. That will break the number of Cult members.

    This is my way to destroy the Cult. What doesn't mean not to do this kind of reports. They are part of this kind of work.
     
  18. secretiveoldfag

    secretiveoldfag Silver Meritorious Patron

    Putting Scientology to work to destroy Scientology is a kind of ju-jitsu technique. There you go, run your little campaign, then Whammy!!

    I like it.

    All their months of preparation and scheming and plotting and subversion and planning v. one fifteen-minute documentary.

    I know there is a lot more to it but the damage is now controlled. Such episodes will continue to happen and may be necessary, like an inoculation so that people especially young people learn and are warned.

    I don't believe we will ever get rid of the infestation but over the past few years the damage they are able to do has been contained in certain countries.
     
  19. MrNobody

    MrNobody Who needs merits?

    You think the damage is controlled? Well, then listen to what the kid says at 15:30 ff. That kid is probably the elected representant of that school's Schülermitverwaltung (student council), so he holds one of the highest student positions available in schools. If you so will, he's one of the most effective opinion leaders amongst hundreds if not thousands of students at that school.

    The damage done hasn't even been fully evaluated yet, let alone "controlled". The cult has successfully gained a few supporters in that school and the teachers don't have enough time nor the means to fix that damage.

    Really, listen to what the kid (who is very probably the officially elected "master voice" of the student body) says and imagine how many kids will have similar thoughts.

    And you call that "damage control"? Sorry, but I call that "closing the barn door after the horses had ran away." :duh:
     
  20. AnonyMary

    AnonyMary Formerly Fooled - Finally Free

    The front groups are actively infiltrating societies in covert ways and the media is just catching on to some of the many places they are doing this. That is why it is so important as exes to keep up with Sec Check's important thread and blog on the front groups and their current activities across the world.
    These groups could very well be operating in your community. The Sec Check owner(s) appear to have sources leaking information, all to our benefit! Every day there are new posts with photos and information. Some will be surprised at how much is going on!

    Sec Check Blog: Exposing Scientology Front Groups (and other stuff)
    http://www.forum.exscn.net/showthre...ng-Scientology-Front-Groups-(and-other-stuff)

    I am asking all readers here to do what you can to keep informed and alert to what is going on with these. Bookmark and check in with the thread whenever possible. If you come across something there that is even remotely concerning your area or state, do comment and share.

    There are other critics actively working on specific front group activities but they need to know, hence posting a thread when you find any cult activity in your area. Help prevent the cult's growth in your community and if possible, the communities of others. Sometimes, even a comment to an online article can make the difference and trigger a domino effect of backlash to the activity. We know what they are doing.

    Scientologists get involved in these activities because it's no cost to them and it's part of the hat of a public scientologist, to get out there in their fields of influence, infiltrate society and get Scientology well known and in use. I'd be right there along with them if I had not woken up.

    Lets try to curb these activities before they become embedded in a locale. Alert the public! I have seen amazing things happen when citizens are alerted, become interested. educated and armed with information to do what they can to squash Scientology projects in their communities. They do most of the work once they know and have a critic to help them get started.
     

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