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Hello from Madscotsman

I also was in Scientology from the age 4 years old, born into it. I was in it for 12 years from this age. I was a staff member and ended up in the SO. As a kid, you follow your parents but at the age of 16, I decided to leave. The problem I had is adjusting to normal life afterwards and even after 20 years I have had battles on my hands. If we forget about being Free Spiritual Beings for one min which I think thats what we all want. Scientology destroyed my family, my education, my childhood and most of all my purpose of being a surviving human being for a while anyway, being critical, "aberated" is sanity. I feel that aberation is being a person your not, aberation is a personal thing. I had things so drummed into my mind that I ended up looking at people as if they were aliens. I had alot to learn in the "Wog" world. After 20 years, I have pulled myself together and have learn't to love and respect my fellow humans no matter of what they say or act. Looking at yourself all day seeing your wrongs will turn you into a wreck. looking at our qualities and using them too our advantage, thats power and freedom. I have lost my family threw all this and i bet i could write a book that would highlight the truth of Scientology.not sure its worth it. As for OSA, hope you all come to your senses, what an exciting job, discrediting non believers. Life is what you make it, don't look back look forward. Nice to meet you folk in here, love hearing your opinions. speak soon
 

anonomog

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Looking at yourself all day seeing your wrongs will turn you into a wreck. looking at our qualities and using them too our advantage, thats power and freedom.

Especially if you are looking out for your "wrongs" as defined by someone with more than a few screws loose.
 

Wilbur

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Re: Out for years - it's taken this long to post here

I also was in Scientology from the age 4 years old, born into it. I was in it for 12 years from this age. I was a staff member and ended up in the SO. As a kid, you follow your parents but at the age of 16, I decided to leave. The problem I had is adjusting to normal life afterwards and even after 20 years I have had battles on my hands. If we forget about being Free Spiritual Beings for one min which I think thats what we all want. Scientology destroyed my family, my education, my childhood and most of all my purpose of being a surviving human being for a while anyway, being critical, "aberated" is sanity. I feel that aberation is being a person your not, aberation is a personal thing. I had things so drummed into my mind that I ended up looking at people as if they were aliens. I had alot to learn in the "Wog" world. After 20 years, I have pulled myself together and have learn't to love and respect my fellow humans no matter of what they say or act. Looking at yourself all day seeing your wrongs will turn you into a wreck. looking at our qualities and using them too our advantage, thats power and freedom. I have lost my family threw all this and i bet i could write a book that would highlight the truth of Scientology.not sure its worth it. As for OSA, hope you all come to your senses, what an exciting job, discrediting non believers. Life is what you make it, don't look back look forward. Nice to meet you folk in here, love hearing your opinions. speak soon

I can scarcely imagine how difficult it must have been to leave at the age of 16, after an entire childhood of Scientology, especially when surrounded by Scientologist parents. I didn't get in until I was 16, and didn't stay in for more than a matter of a few years, and still it took me a good few years just to function properly in the real world again after I left staff. I was lucky - I was young enough getting out, and old enough getting in, to be able to get back my life afterwards.
 
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Thanks for your replies. I think the hardest thing for me was we learn everything from our childhood and we are followers as kids. I was manipulated in my beliefs and even after i realised it was not me, I felt my life coming down on me because I felt lonely but my view of the world was Scary, Violent and do not trust anybody. this can make you ill, unstable and have no motivation. even if you leave the church, your still brainwashed by the policies and way. you feel unsettled and fighting yourself. you have been taught the scientology way, you just cannot just change your perspective in five minutes. It took over 20 years to adjust to normal life and maybe I am still recovering. I am still to this day not the person i should have been. I know I am wounded and maybe this is as good as it gets. Maybe the ones that joined as young adults or older are lucky. in truth, for me, maybe it was easier to stay init but I am fighter and will not defeat my own self. My father is the only remaining scientologist and I disconnected from him because I could not stand the bollocks he was talking. I love my family and hope they see the light in the end. I do not hold any hope but I have accepted this. All that matters now, is my wife and kids and making the future bright. thanks again :yes:
 

Free to shine

Shiny & Free
G'day and welcome! :welcome:

Every time I see someone posting who was born into scientology, I am in awe of the courage. I come from a family of 4 generations and of course the result is a shattered and confused family.
You have done well to question and think for yourself, to find your own values in life and step into the 'scary wog world'. It is so terribly hard - good on you!!!

I found one of the most beneficial things to do is post about the concepts you were taught from such a young age. They are so much part of you that sometimes it's not even identified as scientology. Such things as exchange, success, "make it go right", you alone are responsible, "havingness" and so on. These are some of the things I've found that youngsters raised with scientology jargon can have a lot of trouble reconciling in normal life. I know one young man who so loved the idea of "I can have it/havingness" that at age 20 took out a $20,000 loan and was bankrupt within a year. Another who was so screwed up on 'exchange' that every action had to be accounted for. And many whose self esteem was in the pits, loaded down with the weight of the world's wrongs, which of course was because of their own "overts and withholds'.

Take each day as it comes, you are brave enough to have your own life now, many still don't. Again, good on you!
 

oneonewasaracecar

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Welcome aboard Madscotsman. Your past situation sounds pretty tough. I'm glad you made it out and I that you've come so far in your development despite the obstacles.
 
Thank you all for your kind and encouraging comments. Good point about the values you have been drummed into you like exchange, make it go right, think big etc etc. I came out with these thought and applied them to real life and literal got a reality check. I could not stick Employment because I was constantly looking for dis order in the company and if I found it, I would quit, I also thought in someway that I was above everyone because I thought BIG. I also could not accept kindness from someone or even someone trying to help because I thought, I have to make it go right. I often in socialising would constantly look for peoples problems and get involved in there personal life and give advice from things you have read about in scientology. I would constantly be looking for threats in my area and overthinking things to the point of paranoia. diagnosing situations. I was constantly looking at my body and looking for problems to the point of severe health anxiety. I felt bad to sit down and even watch the TV because I thought I should be more successful and relaxing I could not do. I was having dreams about the SO often! I would wake up in sweats because I thought I had joined again lol. I was diagnosed with Anxiety problems and did under two years of therapy (free by the way) to find peace in my mind. IT WAS A VERY TIRING LIFE! I can understand that there are people out there that cannot find the peace after Scientology, I feel for you. Its been 20 years for me and I can say that there is light at the end of the tunnel. YOU CAN TOO! I still have a bit to go, still somethings to sort out. The best thing I used to help me was a FREE CD called Mindfullness. it learns you to stay in the present, its fantastic and trains you to stop looking back so much. Do not have a link but just find it on google. Its been great being on this site because its nice to know, your not alone and finding closure is the key. Thanks again
 

Knows

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Thank you all for your kind and encouraging comments. Good point about the values you have been drummed into you like exchange, make it go right, think big etc etc. I came out with these thought and applied them to real life and literal got a reality check. I could not stick Employment because I was constantly looking for dis order in the company and if I found it, I would quit, I also thought in someway that I was above everyone because I thought BIG. I also could not accept kindness from someone or even someone trying to help because I thought, I have to make it go right. I often in socialising would constantly look for peoples problems and get involved in there personal life and give advice from things you have read about in scientology. I would constantly be looking for threats in my area and overthinking things to the point of paranoia. diagnosing situations. I was constantly looking at my body and looking for problems to the point of severe health anxiety. I felt bad to sit down and even watch the TV because I thought I should be more successful and relaxing I could not do. I was having dreams about the SO often! I would wake up in sweats because I thought I had joined again lol. I was diagnosed with Anxiety problems and did under two years of therapy (free by the way) to find peace in my mind. IT WAS A VERY TIRING LIFE! I can understand that there are people out there that cannot find the peace after Scientology, I feel for you. Its been 20 years for me and I can say that there is light at the end of the tunnel. YOU CAN TOO! I still have a bit to go, still somethings to sort out. The best thing I used to help me was a FREE CD called Mindfullness. it learns you to stay in the present, its fantastic and trains you to stop looking back so much. Do not have a link but just find it on google. Its been great being on this site because its nice to know, your not alone and finding closure is the key. Thanks again

Side effects of Scientology:

"I could not stick Employment because I was constantly looking for dis order in the company and if I found it, I would quit, I also thought in someway that I was above everyone because I thought BIG. I also could not accept kindness from someone or even someone trying to help because I thought, I have to make it go right. I often in socialising would constantly look for peoples problems and get involved in there personal life and give advice from things you have read about in scientology. I would constantly be looking for threats in my area and overthinking things to the point of paranoia. diagnosing situations. I was constantly looking at my body and looking for problems to the point of severe health anxiety. I felt bad to sit down and even watch the TV because I thought I should be more successful and relaxing I could not do. I was having dreams about the SO often! I would wake up in sweats because I thought I had joined again lol. I was diagnosed with Anxiety problems..."

You are not alone. ^^^^ Standard Side Effects of Scientology ^^^^
 

Free to shine

Shiny & Free
You are not alone. ^^^^ Standard Side Effects of Scientology ^^^^

Yes they can be. However most people who manage to leave scientology behind have the benefit of comparison and some prior life experience. That does help, depending on their education and the moral and ethical values of parents and where they were raised.

With someone who has scientology values and training from birth it's a whole different kettle of fish. Flying blind and mostly finding out the hard way that something they thought was true simply isn't. One of the hardest things is that they are taught to be totally open, and therefore vulnerable, boundaries are a blurry line, which can create a lot of distress. It's a far harder journey than for those who joined as adults.
 

Free to shine

Shiny & Free
Thank you all for your kind and encouraging comments. Good point about the values you have been drummed into you like exchange, make it go right, think big etc etc. I came out with these thought and applied them to real life and literal got a reality check. I could not stick Employment because I was constantly looking for dis order in the company and if I found it, I would quit, I also thought in someway that I was above everyone because I thought BIG. I also could not accept kindness from someone or even someone trying to help because I thought, I have to make it go right. I often in socialising would constantly look for peoples problems and get involved in there personal life and give advice from things you have read about in scientology. I would constantly be looking for threats in my area and overthinking things to the point of paranoia. diagnosing situations. I was constantly looking at my body and looking for problems to the point of severe health anxiety. I felt bad to sit down and even watch the TV because I thought I should be more successful and relaxing I could not do. I was having dreams about the SO often! I would wake up in sweats because I thought I had joined again lol. I was diagnosed with Anxiety problems and did under two years of therapy (free by the way) to find peace in my mind. IT WAS A VERY TIRING LIFE! I can understand that there are people out there that cannot find the peace after Scientology, I feel for you. Its been 20 years for me and I can say that there is light at the end of the tunnel. YOU CAN TOO! I still have a bit to go, still somethings to sort out. The best thing I used to help me was a FREE CD called Mindfullness. it learns you to stay in the present, its fantastic and trains you to stop looking back so much. Do not have a link but just find it on google. Its been great being on this site because its nice to know, your not alone and finding closure is the key. Thanks again

Thanks, that's a pretty comprehensive description of how it goes! Everywhere you turn there is a new way of thinking to learn and it is incredibly tiring indeed.

For me reading Eckhart Tolle helped a great deal, "The Power of Now", ie mindfullness. So much of scientology is about the future or the past and the present moment is overlooked, despite the talk of "being in PT". Most scientologists aren't and have no idea how to live that way. There's too much distress about how to get the next service, donate, be a good PR scientologist and 'save their eternity 'and too much attention on the past as being the cause of any problems.

One of the greatest rewards in living a normal life is time to literally smell the roses, to appreciate and be grateful for the joys in life that there was never time for before. And the relief from the guilt and stress that makes so many scientologists so secretly unhappy.
 

dchoiceisalwaysrs

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Re: Out for years - it's taken this long to post here

right and wrong is a matter of opinion!

I suppose there is some truth in that. For example many humans have the opinion that death by murder is wrong yet the grim Wheeler may see death by any means is always 'right' ?

Welcome to the board and be assured your story would be very welcomed and read by many and may even help some lurkers leave the trap.
 
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Knows

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Yes they can be. However most people who manage to leave scientology behind have the benefit of comparison and some prior life experience. That does help, depending on their education and the moral and ethical values of parents and where they were raised.

With someone who has scientology values and training from birth it's a whole different kettle of fish. Flying blind and mostly finding out the hard way that something they thought was true simply isn't. One of the hardest things is that they are taught to be totally open, and therefore vulnerable, boundaries are a blurry line, which can create a lot of distress. It's a far harder journey than for those who joined as adults.

My heart goes out to those people raised in the evil cult.:heartflower::bighug:

I was fortunate to have a full, wonderful life to compare it to - and it still did some damage.

I can't imagine how hard it is to get fully recovered if one was raised in it and still had family in.

I believe one has to fully get educated on cults and mind control to fully recover regardless of how long one has been "in".
 
even after all that brainwashing. my mum is declared and i never spoke to her for 20 years, after coming to my senses, i tried to regain a relationship but it never worked because we were complete strangers and it was easier to walk away and too much water under the bridge. also my sister left with her family and she ended up crazy and did not want to know anymore. the damage was done. we do not speak either. just because you leave Scientology, do not expect it too be rosy, because it's not. I always wish one day that I have my family back, but too much expectation, that was my problem. I am a man, with my own morals and my own strategy in life. I will not be dictated and I will be happy along with my Wife and children. If anyone wants a private chat about things, your more than welcome to PM me. NO OSA please, I am not stupid and I will know! :duh:.
 

Hypatia

Pagan
I also was in Scientology from the age 4 years old, born into it. I was in it for 12 years from this age. I was a staff member and ended up in the SO. As a kid, you follow your parents but at the age of 16, I decided to leave. The problem I had is adjusting to normal life afterwards and even after 20 years I have had battles on my hands. If we forget about being Free Spiritual Beings for one min which I think thats what we all want. Scientology destroyed my family, my education, my childhood and most of all my purpose of being a surviving human being for a while anyway, being critical, "aberated" is sanity. I feel that aberation is being a person your not, aberation is a personal thing. I had things so drummed into my mind that I ended up looking at people as if they were aliens. I had alot to learn in the "Wog" world. After 20 years, I have pulled myself together and have learn't to love and respect my fellow humans no matter of what they say or act. Looking at yourself all day seeing your wrongs will turn you into a wreck. looking at our qualities and using them too our advantage, thats power and freedom. I have lost my family threw all this and i bet i could write a book that would highlight the truth of Scientology.not sure its worth it. As for OSA, hope you all come to your senses, what an exciting job, discrediting non believers. Life is what you make it, don't look back look forward. Nice to meet you folk in here, love hearing your opinions. speak soon

Groups that really try to be spiritual do not ruin lives or go after people. Period. If goofy ideas were all they did wrong, there wouldn't be a trail of bodies, bankruptcies and broken hearts.

Welcome to ESMB!
 

JustSheila

Crusader
even after all that brainwashing. my mum is declared and i never spoke to her for 20 years, after coming to my senses, i tried to regain a relationship but it never worked because we were complete strangers and it was easier to walk away and too much water under the bridge. also my sister left with her family and she ended up crazy and did not want to know anymore. the damage was done. we do not speak either. just because you leave Scientology, do not expect it too be rosy, because it's not. I always wish one day that I have my family back, but too much expectation, that was my problem. I am a man, with my own morals and my own strategy in life. I will not be dictated and I will be happy along with my Wife and children. If anyone wants a private chat about things, your more than welcome to PM me. NO OSA please, I am not stupid and I will know! :duh:.

I'm so sorry about your mum and sister.

When I tried to repair my family relationships after I left scn, I also blew it for a while by overdoing it. Then a family member suggested I start small, real small, and send greeting cards on special occasions, sometimes with a short letter, but nothing confrontational or too personal. With certain members, there was an unspoken rule to never, ever bring up the past. That's what it took. It took years, but it worked and I now have my family back. :happydance:

Scientology think makes us take extreme actions or expect big things quickly. It takes years to build relationships and some of us have to start from scratch when we leave. If you already know you and your sister are strangers, you're ahead of it. She might not always seem loopy, either, but even if she is, can you accept her as she is? Maybe she was just going through a tough time. Sometimes just knowing there's someone around who cares can do a person a world of good.

Of course, nobody knows your situation better than you. It’s hard, very hard, picking up the pieces of a life broken by scientology. I wish you the best.
 
Thanks, I think what put my relationship with my sister and mum, I was dying in hospital after a near fatal Pulmonary Embolism and when you have been fighting for your life and been brought back to life, yes that serious, my partner contacted the family on my behalf while i was in intensive care, my sister was only concerned about bumping into my father who is die hard scientologist and did not want to come and see me because he was coming. my mum never came to see me either. When I came too and survived, I was brought to life with a different perspective in life and tried to be more forgiven of my family, I tried to accept my father being in the group and just tried to get on with it. i soon realised that i was second to his beliefs and that upset me alot because i only seen him 2 times in the 2 years because he could not get time off course because he did not have time to make it up. this hurt me along with my sisters attitude. I know that my sister is recovering but i would be at her bedside if she was fighting for her life and my mum's too no matter how frail our relationship is. maybe thats been my problem, giving a shit! well since, I have been in control, I feel better that way! is blood thicker than water? :unsure:
 

JustSheila

Crusader
Thanks, I think what put my relationship with my sister and mum, I was dying in hospital after a near fatal Pulmonary Embolism and when you have been fighting for your life and been brought back to life, yes that serious, my partner contacted the family on my behalf while i was in intensive care, my sister was only concerned about bumping into my father who is die hard scientologist and did not want to come and see me because he was coming. my mum never came to see me either. When I came too and survived, I was brought to life with a different perspective in life and tried to be more forgiven of my family, I tried to accept my father being in the group and just tried to get on with it. i soon realised that i was second to his beliefs and that upset me alot because i only seen him 2 times in the 2 years because he could not get time off course because he did not have time to make it up. this hurt me along with my sisters attitude. I know that my sister is recovering but i would be at her bedside if she was fighting for her life and my mum's too no matter how frail our relationship is. maybe thats been my problem, giving a shit! well since, I have been in control, I feel better that way! is blood thicker than water? :unsure:

Ugh! How awful. This may sound cliche, but I can relate. Without getting into the detail, I know how hurtful it can be when you think someone will be there for you in an urgent situation and the person doesn't even show, or worse. Do you ever get over that feeling of betrayal?
Do they ever stop treating you that way? Can you ever fully trust your family again?

1) Yes, 2) possibly and 3) It depends.

For me, I had to wake up to realize that not only were they strangers to me, but I was a stranger to them. They had an idea about me, about who I was or what I thought and felt and they had me all wrong. It was difficult not to bring up the past to straighten it out, since it was a taboo subject with some family members, but again, it was my scn background that made me think it was necessary to clear up any gossip or rumors or things I may have done that upset them in the past. Actually, it was never necessary to bring up any of that and any time I did, it had a real bad result.

We were strangers to each other. What I had to do was demonstrate who I was through shared experiences. Good experiences. I also had to stand up for myself when appropriate without losing my temper or disconnecting because by doing so, I showed them I did not deserve the bad treatment, that disagreements happen and that we could weather through them.

They were hurt from when I was in scientology and wasn't there for them and had different ways of showing it and different odd ideas about me. There was no picking up where I left off. There was only starting from scratch as strangers.

It was so friggin' hard. So many tears of frustration along the way, so much grief, so much anger. Sometimes I just can't believe all that's gone.

There are things we will never have in common but other things that we always will. Shared tastes in things from clothes to cars to music, holiday memories, all of the children. There are new memories we are now creating. Thank God for grandkids, nieces, nephews and their kids. What a godsend they have been with the joys and new experiences they bring, their fresh outlooks, their beautiful, innocent love. :biglove:

By now we have all given each other irreplaceable gifts of the heart. It took years and years though, and a lot of lonely holidays before that happened. So many times I was sure it would never happen.

But it did. And the family members I fought the most with, the ones that brought me the most grief (and they'd probably say the same about me, lol) are now the ones I would trust with my life.

Let things happen. Participate. Be yourself and don't be ashamed, afraid or guilty or make them feel that way. It can happen and if you want it badly enough, you'll make sure it does. But man, you better be in for the long haul with a semi-trailer full of patience!
 
i suppose again, its about having expectations of our family, even in normal life, the same happens I suppose. Better to be yourself and accept people as they are! cheers for the post :yes:
 
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