How many Scn in your org have hit their spouses or children?

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  1. renegade

    renegade Silver Meritorious Patron

    I never thought of any Scn as a domestic abuser in the past.

    Today, I sat down and made a list of Scn who had physically abused their spouse or children. In 10 minutes I came up with 14 names.

    This is by far an incomplete list but it shocks me today, that these cases were swept under the rug. Most of these scn weren't even sent to ethics as the person abused "deserved" it or the abuser was "putting ethics in" on their child/spouse, thereby being validated for the physical abusive behavior.

    This list is not counting any verbal, emotional or spiritual abuser.

    How many in your org?
     
  2. I told you I was trouble

    I told you I was trouble Suspended animation

    I could add a name to that list (but won't at this stage) ... I suspect that being vicious, snarly and physically aggressive was once seen as a positive thing by certain kinds of scientologists but it's no fun being on the receiving end and it can be very hard to escape from especially if you have to appear to stay "in scientology" in order to hang on to (and properly look after) your children while you carefully arrange your escape.

    Nightmare.

     
  3. uncover

    uncover Silver Meritorious Patron

    Since I don't "have" any org, I would have to say: "In my org .... not enough" :coolwink:
     
    Last edited: Mar 10, 2017
  4. Out/Int

    Out/Int Patron with Honors

    People are being driven slowly insane by being, doing and having Scientology.

    Scientology, very slowly and quite cleverly, drives people into total confusion. They make HUGE mistakes. They divorce their spouses, leave their children, abandon their dreams, join staff, give up all of their money and inheritance, become very angry and then they fight with everyone. It is carefully masked.

    They will wax on a smile if they need you for a stat...but overall, Scientologists are some of the most untrustworthy, crazy, disloyal and rotten friends, especially if they are steeped in the tech.

    Just look at Marty Rathbun. A traitor to everyone including himself. What a waste - he is such a loser.

    I have seen OT's become unleashed and physically abusive to not only family - but friends too!

    Look at David Miscavige.

    He is a product of Scientology.

    He beats people, belittles them, dominates them, hates them and destroys them

    Who is next to come out with more stories of being abused by David Miscavige and the cult of Scientology?

    I think there are going to be more victims.
     
  5. ThetanExterior

    ThetanExterior Goldenrod SP

    I haven't personally known any to be physically abusive but in terms of "verbal, emotional and spiritual abuse" I think scientologists are the most abusive people I've ever met.
     
  6. Out/Int

    Out/Int Patron with Honors

    When I was going to the Morgue to study - I saw fist fights, people punching each other and arguing. I heard from my OT 7 friend that another OT punched him in a restaurant. 2 OT '5's (married to each other) got into a physical fight...and ended up divorcing.

    I saw a Registrar get pushed down a flight of stairs.

    Now - that one - he deserverd...he kept following the guy.

    Scientology IS the 3rd party to ALL CONFLICT between Scientologist's.

    I lost every single one of my so called "friends" when I refused to be told what to think and to ignore what I observed.

    Scientologist's will throw each other under the bus faster than white lightening and they end up being some nasty crazy people I am glad I don't have in my life any longer.

    Even the ex members can be hard to stay friends with, especially if they are "still in" Scientology using the tech.

    I just had one tell me "Carrie is low toned and can't be trusted at that tone level"...:eyeroll:

    Just more personal observation I am documenting since my leaving Scientology....:yes:
     
  7. renegade

    renegade Silver Meritorious Patron

    In the second dynamic, blue book, there is a reference that states it's okay to use corporal punishment on your child. It just needs to be done "correctly" so it does not produce any engrams. I saw 3 people really whale on their child, very angry and not silent at all (not that I condone or believe that reference).

    Seems more like a "how-to" produce mini DM's for the SO.

    Anyone in the CEO witness any corporal punishment towards the children from care givers?

    I heard a recording or saw a you tube video of a scn at a school that was hitting a child pretty bad. I can't find it, but if anyone remembers that, can you post a link?
     
  8. Out/Int

    Out/Int Patron with Honors

    Is that why they hid that book from members?

    If they saw the truth too quickly - it would hamper their case gain....:eyeroll::whistling:

    TRANSLATED: Scientology's progress of bamboozling them out of all of their money $elling them a bridge to nowhere:yes:
     
  9. Ogsonofgroo

    Ogsonofgroo Crusader

    It happens all through the social strata in pretty much any culture, any religion or belief system, its mostly the 'you made me do it' type of justification (and of course just sick bullshit in all cases), it is such a broad issue with many factors involved, like upbringing etc..
    What you have found does not surprise me and my heart breaks for those suffering such abuses, but hey, in scientology its all, um oh yeh, "YOU PULLED IT IN!" drivel which I am pretty confident guarantees continued abuse to the silent victims.
    Hubbard is known to have been an abuser/beater and I always felt that he tried to somehow make excuses to mollify his tortured soul and self-absolve himself of his insanity. Just a theory based on my studies of the fool and his empire.
    As part and parcel to this travesty of common sense, theres the whole weirdness with children, "Big Thetans in little bodies..." thing that just makes me pig-biting furious, fuck, its like he made open season on abuses and then tried to justify the actions or some such or what-not. ARRRG! And it doesn't stop there as most here well know. Hubbard created, in my honest opinion, one of the most toxic and twisted views of the world, a totally fuck organization devoid of spirit and humanity, a cess-pool ripe for deviants with money and power.

    Excuse me, I gotta go barf and wash my brain, I go now.


    :(
     
  10. Churchill

    Churchill Gold Meritorious Patron

    Scientologists are indoctrinated to ask themselves
    "what would Ron do?"

    The Documentary (also the book) Going Clear provides a first-hand statement from Sara Northrup
    that she was beaten and pistol whipped by "mankind's
    greatest friend."

    And what Hubbard later did to Alexis, his daughter, was even more
    unspeakably evil.

    Scientology is riddled with misogyny and physical abuse, including forced abortions.
     
  11. lotus

    lotus autonomous rebellous

    It never came to my mind that some got physical in abusing their spouse and children.

    I've seen some (mostly male) scientologists being emotionaly\psychologically abusive to their spouse in the name of ''putting ethics in'', not being reasonnable, handling counter-intention....

    Those people were often regs, ethic officers, HCO, ED and a few C\Ses......and it was known, since the fuckers (ethical handlers) were abusing publics and staff too!
     
    Last edited: Mar 11, 2017
  12. ThetanExterior

    ThetanExterior Goldenrod SP

    I seem to recall a reference where Hubbard introduced the term "solid comm line" meaning a punch. Anyone remember where this came from?
     
  13. Dulloldfart

    Dulloldfart Squirrel Extraordinaire

    I thought a "solid comm line" just meant a physical connection, like touching the shoulder or something. Where from? Some CCHs reference maybe? With the punch mention simply being a joke in a lecture from the 50s when the usage of "solid comm line" was common.

    Paul
     
  14. ThetanExterior

    ThetanExterior Goldenrod SP

    I don't know where it's from. I just remember it in my org being used as a euphemism for hitting someone.
     
  15. JustSheila

    JustSheila Crusader

    Threads like this make me so sad. :bigcry:

    I am so grateful to have never grown up in scn, to have had the opportunity to leave, to have family that have never been in.

    By some odd stroke of fate or grace, I made it out to have my own life. Not all the children did.

    I think of the children who didn't.

    Rows and flows of angel hair
    And ice cream castles in the air
    And feather canyons everywhere
    I've looked at [STRIKE]clouds[/STRIKE]
    Scientology that way
    But now [STRIKE]they[/STRIKE]
    it only blocks the sun
    [STRIKE]They[/STRIKE]
    It rains and snows on everyone
    So many things I would have done
    But [STRIKE]clouds[/STRIKE]
    Scientology got in my way
    I've looked at [STRIKE]clouds[/STRIKE]
    the tek from both sides now
    From up and down and still somehow
    It's [STRIKE]cloud[/STRIKE]
    the fake illusions I recall
    I really don't know [STRIKE]clouds[/STRIKE]
    the afterlife at all
    Moons and Junes and ferris wheels
    The dizzy dancing way you feel
    As every fairy tale comes real
    I've looked at [STRIKE]love[/STRIKE] Scientology that way

    But now it's just another show
    You [STRIKE]leave 'em laughing[/STRIKE] give them the finger when you go
    And if you care, don't let them know
    Don't give yourself away

    I've looked at [STRIKE]love[/STRIKE] the tek from both sides now
    From give and take and still somehow
    It's [STRIKE]love's[/STRIKE] Scientology's scamming illusions I most recall
    [STRIKE]I[/STRIKE]It taught me nothing at all about life,
    after all.

    [video=youtube;tKQSlH-LLTQ]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tKQSlH-LLTQ[/video]

    Joni Mitchell regrets giving up her daughter for adoption:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U7TgqBYByUc
     

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