Hubbard as a pedophile?

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  1. I have been searching around for more information on what I heard in a YouTube video with Jon Atack and Steve Hassan. Jon talks about Hubbard raping children but I can find nothing on the net about this. Can anyone point me in the right direction?

    Here is the video below. Jon talks about Hubbards pedophilia at 20:39. Truly disturbing.
  2. Enthetan

    Enthetan Master of Disaster

    I've long thought that Hubbard had a "special" relationship with Miscavige in his boyhood days in Gold.
  3. prosecco

    prosecco Patron Meritorious

    It depends on your definition of paedophile. Yes, he had young children as his servants denying them education, a family life, slave labour, mental and emotional abuse.

    But, don't think there is any evidence that he sexually assaulted or sexually abused any children personally.
  4. Rmack

    Rmack Van Allen Belt Sunbather

    The only thing I've ever come across is LRH Jr. (Ron DeWolf) claiming he would take anything to bed; little boys, old ladies.

    I know some people don't believe anything 'Nibs' said, but I wouldn't be surprised.
  5. DeeAnna

    DeeAnna Patron Meritorious

    At the 20:39 marker as mentioned in the OP, it is being said that an affidavit by "Andre Trevoygan"???? alleged that Hubbard raped a 12 year old boy in Morocco. And then goes on to say there were rumors LRH was having sex with one of his own children.

    Anybody here know the correct name for the person making the Morocco allegation?
  6. Little David

    Little David Gold Meritorious Patron

    There is this old post on ARS but I neither believe or disbelieve it:

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    From : wbar...@Starbase.NeoSoft.COM (William Barwell)
    Message-ID: <69sb24$2et$1...@Starbase.NeoSoft.COM>
    [OSA = Office of Special Affairs, de geheime dienst van Scientology /
    In article <69it6r$l08$>, wgert <>
    > I think you are full of it - but then you've always felt great in the
    > company of Erlich. Beats up his wife. Abuses his daughter. When asked

    Erlich never abused his daughter.

    That is a lie.

    Hubbard did abuse one of his daughters. And admitted it in auditing
    on the Apollo. Mary Sue Hubbard was auditing him. She stalked out
    of that room and that was the end of what remained of that marriage.
    This was towards the end of the Sea Org's days at sea. When the SO
    beached, Hubbard stayed in Florida and MSH went to Washington.

    This episode was well known to senior techs on Apollo.

    Hubbard was a child abuser. This is a well known fact amongst
    a few critics. It has NOT been on ARS because the daughter abused is
    still alive, and a sort of general agreement amongst critics
    was that was reason enough to let this sleeping dog lie.

    But since OSA operative WGert has obvious orders to accuse
    others of child abuse, lies and libels, I am no longer
    going to sit on this. I warned WGert and Kobrin in e-mail
    not to push this DA or I would spill the beans.

    I wraned RTC and OSa to let this drop or I would tell
    the truth about child sex abuser L. Ron Hubbard.

    Thye were warned and chose to ignore my warnings.
    OK, they, OSA, Let Gertie go on in this manner.

    Fuck them.

    Dennis Erlich and Henson did NOt abuse their daughters and the cult
    knows this and chooses to lie. Just like they lied about Kisser being a
    topless dancer even though their own paid PI disporved that as he
    admitted on 60 Minutes.

    But the lies were used by OSA because this is a cult of lies and libels.

    Hubbard sexually abused Diana Hubbard as a child and admitted it
    in auditing session to Mary Sue Hubbard.

    May 60 minutes and other investigative programs hunt down those
    who were aboard the Apollo and get this truth before the public.

    Fuck you Scientology, up the ass with a thick, red hot poker heated up
    in the lowest pits of hell. True evil and hate.

    L. Ron Hubbard sexually abused his own daughter!

    What a man!

    Pope Charles
    SubGenius Pope Of Houston
    -- Jeta.
    [ *censored* since Aug 1, 1997. ]

  7. cakemaker

    cakemaker Patron Meritorious

    Andre Tabayoyon
  8. lotus

    lotus autonomous rebellous

    I've just read this affidavit by Andre Tabayoyon and didn't find anything related to ''possible'' LRH sexual abuses

    There is probably another affidavit :confused2:
  9. I told you I was trouble

    I told you I was trouble Suspended animation

    If there is proof available on this I'd want it exposed far and wide, who wouldn't?

    I cannot imagine scientologists (no matter how sucked in to the cult they were) keeping it quiet though ... and certainly not after all these years.

    Hubbard was a repulsive creep and I'd not trust him with my dog, but I won't buy this until I see something from more than one reputable, reliable source.

    I just cannot imagine that all of his "tek people" would remain quiet and effectively protect him.

  10. Panda Termint

    Panda Termint Cabal Of One

    ^Yup, I think the same thing.^
  11. lotus

    lotus autonomous rebellous

    This issue had been adressed a few times in the past and unfortunately it doesn't get any attention. Very few reply...

    Omerta ?????

    You know sometimes we have deep feelings...without knowing anything neither have any proof :unsure:
    I am certainly not the only one...but I may tell it as I don't have any friends in the indies or freezoone to deny me my bridge to eternity...

    I always thought all the ''pedophile ingredients'' were in the LRH cake.

    My thought is that I would be surprised the he didn't sexually abused any child!

    (I've stated in the past i've sudied in a field related to intervention& psychology related to abused ch8ildren - I've work few years in this field and we were trained in spotting the ''ingredients''..the same as LRH favorable condition to allow sexual abuses in this case I would have reported strong suspicion based on other factual observed coexistant abuses cohabiting with a narcissic personnality)

    (there was a testimony of a +- 15 years old girl who had served for a sort of sexual pervert magical ritual (she thaught) for him... She was terrified..completely frozen in fear. Few guys , I remember, corroborated it as being true.

    Also if John Atack says so...and speak of Andre tabayoyon knowing facts...I tend to rely on their credibility.

    Why wouldn't he do it ??? He had a free pass to abuse the smallest ones in locking them, being cruel, use them on post as slave work, put them in RPF prison, deprive them of sleep, love of their parents, brothers sisters, good food, right to speak, right to play, right to cry, right to be given a proper education, right to leave his fucking mindfcult cruel cult...right to be simply children....

    He had built a mindfuck fake naval army of children to terrorize his adults slaves...He completely perverted them.
    The pervert...

    Why wouldn't he abuse them, while parents have given him dozens of their children to be his slave servant, to dress, him, to bathe him, to carry the ashtry..why ??? (not a reproach but a fact)
    Moral ??? ethics ???? sens of bad and good ????
    Is he the one who put his own son on drugs and hypnosis ??? Is he the one who kidnapped his baby girl to manipulate the mother ????

    Nop..he had 0 sens of social and moral values
    As a graduated narcicisst he had 0 compassion for children suffering, as the small meat bodies were only a mean of .....

    Any child who had been sexually molested in this cult have been muzzled and was driven into fear and shame to have pulled it in..even their parents wouldn't protect them...after's the guru....and they me be deprived of their eternity and be fair gamed personnaly by LRH and his personnel...wich means... destroyed.

    I also wish that if one who reads have ever been sexually abused by this pervert, they feel confident we will ensure they are listen to here and that they can speak their heart and their mind, despite some people will defent their creepy pervert guru till their last day...

    Good old days on the appollo...
    End of disgusted rant!

    I wish if it happened we could know with testimonies!

    I feel better now
    - I had such a tough day with pain :unsure:


    TO LRH
    The child protector

    Last edited: Jun 14, 2015
  12. Free Being Me

    Free Being Me Crusader

    I'm with you on that score. Elcon abused and terrorized his kids and the kids of his $cientologists but I've never heard of anything beyond that leading to pedophilia. As much as I absolutely thoroughly enjoy exposing Elcon for the lying vermin he was, I've never seen any dox on this subject.
  13. Rmack

    Rmack Van Allen Belt Sunbather

    I was 'molested' as a child, I guess.

    One of my grandmothers waitresses in her Sunland Café in El Paso once grabbed me in the food locker, and said 'You're so cute!' and gave me my first kiss. I was very young, she was, what? thirteen?

    I liked it! I tried for the next several weeks to talk her into going back in with me.

    Does that make me a bad person?
  14. oneonewasaracecar

    oneonewasaracecar Gold Meritorious Patron

    This. So much has leaked about every aspect of his life. Hubbard's lies are laid bare, yet no evidence exists of child sexual abuse.

    If there is an affadavit by Andre Tabayoyon, where is it? Why has this not been leaked? It should be available under FOIA.

    Also, the ARS story about him molesting his daughter sounds like nonsense to me for two reasons.

    1) The dubious idea that the agreement was that this not be discussed while the only living witness is still alive to verify it. Very convenient. Let's only discuss this after any means of verification is possible.

    2) The idea that Mary Sue considered their marriage over. She went to prison for him. She was still loyal. This story does not ring true.
  15. Free Being Me

    Free Being Me Crusader

    Did she look like this?


  16. DeeAnna

    DeeAnna Patron Meritorious

  17. lotus

    lotus autonomous rebellous


    You gave me a good laugh...
    Was a tough job on this thread

    Thank you!
    Good hormones for my pain though!
  18. Rmack

    Rmack Van Allen Belt Sunbather

    Just a quick question that will boggle your mind. 'Hopefully'.

    Considering all we know about Laffy's misdeeds, did you ever wonder about the ones we don't know about?

    I can guarantee you that he was smart enough to hide things from us.
  19. lotus

    lotus autonomous rebellous

    Ingredient to bake a pedophile cake

  20. lotus

    lotus autonomous rebellous

    This is why

    Also the late Alexander's rape - son of Karen delac - she told the whole story here.
    12 years old, rape by a female scientologists - he had been muzzled and handled into a cover up. :unsure:
    Karen didn't knew.

    I can't find anything with Google from Andre Tabayoyon or anyone else though to bring about some reliable info on this