Discussion in 'L Ron Hubbard' started by Gizmo, Apr 16, 2016.

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  1. Gizmo

    Gizmo Rabble Rouser

    Somewhere out there I suspect the proof exists & some one - or a bunch of victims / observers - will come forward & tell the truth.

    With all else that has come to view about that man surely being a pervert & predator sounds like a fit for him.
  2. JustSheila

    JustSheila Crusader

    Just that weird Manor event in the 70s around the time of his apparent black magic anniversary date.

    He was apparently limp and impotent by then.

    It didn't stop him from dressing up underrage girls in his fantasy navy outfits and surrounding himself with them to perv and leer at them and so others could do the same.

    Disgusting creep. :angry:
  3. Enthetan

    Enthetan Master of Disaster

    In LRH's "Affirmations", even during his marriage with Sara Northrop, he was dealing with impotence.

    The last child LRH seems to have fathered was Arthur, born 1958

    In chapter 2 of "Messiah or Madman" we have:

  4. phenomanon

    phenomanon Front door security.

    I think he was only into himself. :whistling:
  5. strativarius

    strativarius Comfortably Numb

    He was no Robert Redford so he must have been a very funny guy since apparently you can laugh a woman into bed. He did lay some very attractive females I have to say, but reading his 'affirmations' (if they really are what they are purported to be) he had more than his fair share of sexual hang-ups.
  6. Gizmo

    Gizmo Rabble Rouser

    I do respect you. No doubt, he was into himself - however, he did marry 3 times, father children.

    On the academy level 4 there is a tape where he is auditing some gal for a demo. he asked for a with hold & she says she slept with her auditor last night. He says " not that one " & moves on.
    Rumor was one reason Yvonne insisted on leaving the Apollo is he wouldn't stop hitting on her.

    Then there was the at least eye candy of the young gals in hot pants & tight tops cantering to his whims.

    The above story of a gal who thought she was raped by him.

    Just seems with the way he was he'd pretty much have to a predatory sexual pervert.

    I still tend to believe one day - hopefully soon - some one will step forwards & talk. like all the rest, once some one talks the floodgates will open & the truth will come out.

    Oh, and I wonder - per his words - who it was that taught him to masturbate when he was what 13 ?
  7. Operating DB

    Operating DB Truman Show Dropout

    I can't imagine the horrors if he was sexually potent with a high sex drive.
  8. guanoloco

    guanoloco As-Wased

    He made a move on Dart Smohen's mom. That story is here. Dart's grandad socked L. Ruin in the eye and the next day Ron was claiming that he was so exterior he walked his body into a wall.

    That's Ron at cause on the 2D.
  9. oneonewasaracecar

    oneonewasaracecar Gold Meritorious Patron

    This is an interesting point.

    Hubbard had problems with impotence and sexual drive early on. When he launched the Sea Org in 1967, he was already 56 years old, in poor health, extremely paranoid and with a long history of impotence.

    Perhaps the reason we've not heard anything was that any rape he committed was done prior to the Sea Org and was more concentrated earlier in his life.

    We also know that Hubbard was both a good hypnotist and very good at bending people's will. Perhaps if he did rape someone, it was more of a psychological than a physical coercion.

    It could also be that he didn't do it very often. I suspect this is how Hubbard stayed out of prison. American courts will ignore a lot of things, but sexual cults and cults that amass munitions do get dealt with in the US.

    I know Sheila has talked earlier about an incident where Hubbard did rape someone. I guess we just don't know how often this happened, but then, we didn't know how common it was for Bill Cosby either.
    I certainly hope so.
    I've often wondered about this myself. If you consider the logistics of what would be involved with such instruction, there is no way of thinking it is not sexual abuse.
  10. lotus

    lotus autonomous rebellous

    Although there is no account on internet about his intimacy with Snake Thomson, I always thought he had been introduced to sex and perversion with Snake hypnosis

    Who would leave a 13 years old boy spending much time alone with a colonel in the army to teach him hypnosis????

    Chances are the guy (who didn't appear to have a wife neither kids) was a pedophile...pedophilia ingredients stand out in this story...

    I wouldn't be surprised that this time, with the Snake, had been a turning point in LRH's life to embrace its dark least get introduced about it with hypnosis, mind manipulation, and whatever else mindfuck ... :confused2:
  11. TheSneakster

    TheSneakster More Skeptical Than You

    Here we go. Start with a made-up negative PR positioning and then look for any data that can be spun and twisted to fit the positioning - just like OSA PR against critics.:angry:

    Michael A. Hobson
    Independent Scientologist
  12. Wants2Talk

    Wants2Talk Silver Meritorious Patron

    It sucks when the cake (er um coke) doesn't work any more.
  13. Free Being Me

    Free Being Me Crusader

    Comparing Ex's to OSA is a bit bombastic and frankly a ridiculous fallacious assertion. Who cares about besmirching the name of a dead evil cult leader? It's not as though the old lecherous bastard is going to rise from the grave suing for defamation. lol. Realistically, there's enough dox on Elcon to place him squarely where he belongs as a lying deceptive manipulative paranoid narcissistic sociopath with delusions of grandeur ruining peoples lives while raking in a fortune from his mind control cult.
  14. prosecco

    prosecco Patron Meritorious

    Of course he is a lying, deceptive manipulative narcissistic sociopath, but think that by now anyone who had a story about Hubbard's sexual attacks would have come forward by now. There was the rape of the woman at the Manor which sounded like a black magic ritual as there was mention of her getting pregnant with, 'the one,' and there were lots people facilitating her being taken to Hubbard, on the basis that she was, 'chosen.'

    Other than this, I don't know of any direct instances of physical sexual abuse by Hubbard as all the other instances of sexual abuse was institutional such as the forced abortions, children dressed up in sexually explicit pseudo military gear etc.

    I think it matters though getting the history right, not for the reputation of Hubbard, but as a shared history, if it's true and accurate, then will be believed rather than dismissed.
  15. Cat Daddy

    Cat Daddy Silver Meritorious Patron!topic/nl.scientology/CSSfazaOjL0

  16. strativarius

    strativarius Comfortably Numb

    Actually, his real nickname was Commander 'trouser snake' Thompson. :biggrin:
  17. Enthetan

    Enthetan Master of Disaster

    I don't think Hubbard needed to physically rape women. He had a gift for psychological manipulation, and he apparently could be very charming in his younger days. Lots of women are attracted to men with power, and Hubbard had enough charisma to start a large group going, with lots of people feeling a high degree of dedication to him. Charlie Manson was not that good looking either, yet he had no trouble attracting women.

    He took up with Mary Sue when she was 20 and he was 40. He married Mary Sue in March 1951, when she was a month pregnant with Diana. Mary Sue was still in her 30's at the start of the Sea Org, when LRH became increasingly impotent. Mary Sue was probably very sexually frustrated by that point.
  18. tmangrove

    tmangrove Patron

    That bizarre story from "Messiah or Madman" is very disturbing.

    Also, that thing about being "taught" to masturbate always seemed weird to me. Even if true, who admits something like that? It seems as though people would just say (if it came up for some reason), "I started masturbating at age 13", or something like that.
  19. Gizmo

    Gizmo Rabble Rouser

    I get that you " don't know of " however limiting the whole world to ones own personal knowledge / education tends to be extremely limiting of what one allows themselves to learn.
  20. Gizmo

    Gizmo Rabble Rouser

    You are entitled to be angry ( fits you ) when your guru is shown in a light that doesn't suit you.

    PLEASE TAKE YOUR MEDS as I have much more to say about that sick old bat shit crazy bastard that liked to play with his broken down dick.

    Did you see the info about him molesting his own daughter ?

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