Looking for a meter

Discussion in 'Freezone, Independents, and Other Flavors of Scien' started by 8008, Oct 22, 2018.

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  1. TomKat

    TomKat Patron Meritorious

    Yes, the Ketchum DNA is controversial but credible people such as Paulides say it's legit. Researchers in the paranormal are known to be jealous of each others' accomplishments, so there's a lot of controversy, claims and counterclaims, etc. I do know that whenever someone comes up with something astounding on their own without consulting those who feel they own the field, they are routinely pilloried and stoned. History is usually on the side of the lone voice, though.
  2. Gib

    Gib Crusader

    If you are looking to duplicate source, why that is L Ron Hubbard, why you should get the Mathison emeter, that's the one Hubbard used to explore OT and MEST and Entities. Here, listen to the tape of the ole man:


    As found on Tony O blog:


    Now, if you believe this utter bullshit, you are in a state of allusion.

    It's actually no different than a Ouija Board, really, except for the science of a electronic device, emeter, which is the Ouiji Board, same shit,

    and no clears or OT's.
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  3. Wilbur

    Wilbur Patron Meritorious


    I'm curious as to why you stopped auditing and using your meters. In the video, it looks like you are starting to integrate your Scientology understanding of the world with ideas/data from reincarnation-type practitioners. Did you pursue that very far? Did you finally conclude that it was all nonsense, and abandon it completely? Or what? I'm curious about your current viewpoint.
  4. Dulloldfart

    Dulloldfart Squirrel Extraordinaire

    I originally got auditing to "go up the Bridge". It was all free of charge in the Sea Org at AOSHUK and I wanted to get those cool OT abilities. I never wanted to spend any auditing time addressing day-to-day upsets, even when occasionally sick, as it seemed like a waste. There are enough lies in Scn theories to warrant assuming the totality of Scn theory is false -- that assumption isn't valid, but it makes a good starting point. For several years now I have liked Dr. Michael Newton's life-between-lives research, and Barbara Brennan's research into one's subtle-energy systems and extended anatomy. I don't really read other practitioners' work.

    My worldview includes the idea that we are all spiritual beings on individual journeys, with -- being very simplistic -- "theory" in structured life-between-lives classes, and the "practical" conducted in the intermittent physical lives on Earth. The journey is really the classical idea of l-o-n-g-term self-actualization, amusingly a sort of going up the heavenly bridge.

    I think spending much time while doing "the practical" trying to discover snippets of info -- with no real proof -- about "life up there" is kinda ass-backwards. That video'd session was just out of curiosity to see what would happen: I have had no interest in trying to investigate it further.

    I have written loads on ESMB about the dangers of using a meter, mainly the suggestibility aspects. The meter is supposedly useful for (1) discovering charged items to address; (2) getting an idea of how charged an item is; (3) seeing when a process is flat (no more tone arm action). All this can be done much better with my Rub & Yawn procedure, with zero suggestibility problems and very little training needed. See, for example, a Steemit post I wrote two days ago: https://steemit.com/counseling/@yawnguy/the-suds-and-sushi-scales.

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  5. Out Ethics

    Out Ethics Out Ethics Ex Ethics Officer

    I had a realization on this thread. Thank you 8008!

    The power of the mind is stronger than the meter. I can fool the cans.

    I can pretend I am a Scientologist - to fool my friends and family.

    Yes - I do live a double life but at least I KNOW it and am being true to myself.

    I got my personal integrity back.

    I am okay with lying to family and friends and pretending to be part of the group.

    I don't want to lose them. At least for now.

    It is what it is. I am okay with that. I have "as-ized" it.

    Scientology is evil and it forces you to either lie to your family and friends still in - or lose them. If you are not a Scientologist and you know the entire thing is a horrible scam, you will lose everyone in your life still in Scientology drinking the kool-aide.

    As far as the e-meter goes -

    I would smash them and then toss those e-meters in the city dump.

    They are nothing but a waste of plastic.

    Everything L Ron Hubbard did was a fraud and a scam.

    All of his writings need to be destroyed for eternity.

    Thank you for the freedom to speak freely. You can't do that in Scientology.
  6. TomKat

    TomKat Patron Meritorious

    I remember sitting in New York George's on Fountain in 1983 saying to someone, "why is everything based on lying? There is no research being done at the LA Org which has a sign saying 'Dianetics Research Foundation.' Why are we expected to lie to friends and family to explain our activities and lie to the public to present the best image for Scientology?" Not surprising to learn we were all being lied to as well.
  7. DagwoodGum

    DagwoodGum Cosmic Recyclable

    Check this out this background information on how electronic health devices similar to the emeter were developed back in the 40's and earlier, just before Hubbard's "innovation" or just another stolen idea.
  8. revolucion1

    revolucion1 Patron

    Hi Everyone,

    It has been a while since I have posted to the forum but the question of putting my hands on an e-meter, preferably cheaper than the several hundred dollars asked online, is something I would like to ask once more?

    @DagwoodGum , @Terril park ?
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  10. Dulloldfart

    Dulloldfart Squirrel Extraordinaire

    Yes, a via. But for a newbie it definitely has a wow-factor. It takes a while to realise one is better off not to use one.

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  12. Gib

    Gib Crusader

    here is the very first emeter. do your due diligence, it's all hogwash:


    That's the emeter used by Hubbard in his very first lectures of a emeter and the lecture I referenced earlier.

    It's a quack machine.
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  13. Dulloldfart

    Dulloldfart Squirrel Extraordinaire

    Meters? I still have a C-Meter from Ralph Hilton, circa 2006. I haven't fired it up for a few years, probably the last time was when I made those underwater metering videos (see https://www.youtube.com/user/esmbdof/videos) 9 years ago.

    And I have a Thetameter Nano, which has the big advantage over the C-meter that it plugs into a USB port rather than a serial port. But it has a crappy display, unless they changed it. But I haven't used that in years either.