Well I finally joined the message board ! I was "in" since 1990, and slowly came to my senses over the last few years, but really reached the tipping point last year. I was on staff for seven years and stupidly rejoined when the local org was going ideal. I bought into the hype. Once back on staff, I realized the error in my ways and decided to route out. I had enough of "LRH Admin Tech" bullying, things that you just don't expect to see in normal, sane business operations, don't get me started !!!! I elected to go to an advanced org to audit the requirements of leaving, and experienced something akin to extortion, kidnapping and abuse. I came back home and licked my wounds for a bit, and decided I would finally indulge in looking on the interwebs. OMG !!!!!! Needless to say, all the dissonance, all the disagreements, all the horrible behavior, all the abuses, all the excuses, all the baloney I had seen and experienced had been seen and experienced by others. Oops. I fell for the "it's all entheta" routine. Entheta = Truth in this case. I'm still sorting out my life and experiences. I've got friends still in that I feel sorry for. I've got business connections to folks still in. That still makes it all a bit dicey, but I have one important factor on my side: I no longer am drinking the koolaide !!! And to top it off, I no longer give a shit !!! I'm not declared to my knowledge, and have been trying not to make waves. I don't plan on darkening the door of an org anytime soon. At any rate, I've been around a bit, got a lot of folders to prove it, got a few stories to boot. Seen a lot of good people get fooled, and I guess I've eaten my share of crow. Signed, Old dotard that's Happy to wake up!!!