Narcissism and Dianetics and Scientology

Discussion in 'Evaluating and Criticising Scientology' started by GCaldwell, Mar 4, 2018.

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  1. GCaldwell

    GCaldwell New Member

    Hi All,

    I was giving additional thought to the previous decade when I was in teh church.

    Last year I was getting familiar with the psychology of narcissism/covert narcissim/codependence. Very interesting material with new specialists emerging in the field.

    The insights in this material is far better than scio. The "Only One" , tone scale... etc... dos nto do the subject justice.

    Also it occured to me that existing scientologists are almost certainly going to be either a narcissist type - or a subordinate codependent type - regardless of tone level. This made hug sense to me when I go through most of the characters that I saw there.

    Any of these issues however are treated by being able to take charge of the childhood trauma that forced one to nullify one self and exist in an alter-ego/valence. You would think that neverending Dianetics would eventually crack this open. But it does not as it appears. OT narcissists are just that - Bigger dickheads.

    So how is all this possible? even if you have disabused yourself of the tech, basic Dianetics - or freudian psychoanalysis or whatever you are into these days, these therapies will generally put cracks in one's firmly held falsehoods. Therebt perhaps reducing the 'robotic-sub-wierdness' of typical uptone scientologosts.

    SO if anyone can provide some feedback that woudl be great.

  2. programmer_guy

    programmer_guy True Ex-Scientologist

    Outside of Scientology or other religious cults, have you done any reading about:
    1. "narcissism in the workplace"
    2. "workplace bullying"
    3. "setup to fail" (i.e. targeting)
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  3. scooter

    scooter Gold Meritorious Patron

    Many years ago, a fellow "ex" introduced me to the narcissism stuff with a comment about about a very famous ex finding out that she'd been turned into a narcisssist by Hubbardism. And that most of "us" had been, because Hubbard was one and He demanded that we all do what He would do in any situation.

    I got fascinated and realised that a heap of culties I knew were well-placed in the sociopath/narcissist framework and many others were acting like that because of the pressures that they were under to "get stats up," "clear the planet," "win the Birthday Game," whatever.

    But most folks lose that when they decompress from the cult.

    I still find little bits of that cult indoc. into being a sociopath/narcissist boil up every now and then. Usually when my wife spots them and informs me (and I'm glad she does :biggrin:) but sometimes I pick them up myself with a bit of well-timed reflection.

    My guess is that most of the "nasties" I knew are still "in" and will stay there as long as they can - what other organisation allows them the cover of "upstat" like the "Church" ( :puke: ) does?
  4. dchoiceisalwaysrs

    dchoiceisalwaysrs Gold Meritorious Patron

    Here is my opinion.
    The activities of Dianetics and Scientology do not 'crack' firmly held falsehoods they only present falsehoods and layer those on top of a basic personality. Stumbling through one's mind does occasionally lead to some new ideas but there is no guarantee as hubbard claimed that those ideas are sensible and pcs are set up to believe they are 'cognitions' thus much they admire themselves for being 'better'. Success story anyone? Admiration certificate anyone? Upstat anyone? 'On source' anyone? So proud to be Clear so able as a new OT. uhhh yah false believe anyone?
    Hubbard and thus Dianetics and Scientology are heavily imbued with narcissism. Being in the scientology milieu thus pushes narcissistic traits in anyone involved to the fore. The overall trait syndrome of a narcissist is .."excessive interest in or admiration of themselves" Can you see how going up the "only Bridge to total Freedom" and having the "only workable tech" and belonging to "the only organization" which can "salvage mankind" might create or enforce the Hubbard personality traits?
    I stress 'excessive' as there is nothing wrong with striving to become better but to believe that one is on the only path as hubbard claimed is, to put it politely, mis_guided...into a hubbardian narcissistic syndrome.